Koummiya Moroccan

BerberDagger · 27th January 2007, 06:09 PM

HELLO !thanks for yours reply.....
I have speack with a my moroccan friend, it is arab's teacher in University....
he tell me that this koummiya is made on 1870-1920 and it is very good moroccan koummiya with arabish hispanish culture ....the symbl on a blade for his ...is a berber symbol diffused in morocco from 1870....Raisuli is a head of berber people and he aggree with spanish people...this koummiya is of time of Raisuli (1870-1925) for my moroccan friend...
he has tell me other important information abaut this dagger but i dont able to translate in english....BUT for you is possible ???

Jim McDougall · 28th January 2007, 05:42 AM

Thank you ErnestoJuan!! and for the 'Peacocks Tail' term which I have added to my notes. Also appreciate the note on the fluted grips, which as I mention I had not seen on the few examples I have handled. You are right, like so many ethnographic weapons, information is pretty sparse on the koummya, and must be gleaned from many sources. I very much hope you might post the pictures and info on those koummya variants once you get settled

BerberDagger, I am very interested in knowing more on that Berber symbol! and would like to find out more on symbols used by Berber tribes if you can find out more, please post OK?

We have always seen pretty general geometric designs used in material culture throughout the Sahara, but if you have access to data on that it would be excellent if we could identify such tribal markings.

Thanks very much guys!
All the best,
Jim

BerberDagger · 28th January 2007, 06:07 PM

hi , thank you
Yes i post information of berber symbol when I have translate it...Azedine , my moroccan friend has find this information on internet (in arabian language) and on his personal books...

i post this pommel of koummiya...it is very similar to other koummiya for me!!!!!????

BerberDagger · 28th January 2007, 06:09 PM

this is photo!!!

Jim McDougall · 28th January 2007, 06:38 PM

Thanks BerberDagger, I look forward to more on that information!
Thats great, you have another one too! Very nice

All the best,
Jim

Emanuel · 28th January 2007, 06:57 PM

Hi BerberDagger!
Also have a look at this useful site: http://blade.japet.com/koummya.htm

Emanuel

BerberDagger · 29th January 2007, 01:49 AM

thanks Jim McDougall and Manolo for information.... I post berber information this week ....

but abaut blade of moroccan dagger,for Azedine is not important blade of koummiya becouse berber use not good iron like european blade and much koummiya are confused with tourist item but it is good....

for Azidine this little koummiya is good , not tourist item for exemple...blade is not made with good iron but he tell me that is not important for normal berber people....not scheich or head or rich berber....

sorry for my little english!!!

27th January 2007, 06:09 PM	#1
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	THANKS HELLO !thanks for yours reply..... I have speack with a my moroccan friend, it is arab's teacher in University.... he tell me that this koummiya is made on 1870-1920 and it is very good moroccan koummiya with arabish hispanish culture ....the symbl on a blade for his ...is a berber symbol diffused in morocco from 1870....Raisuli is a head of berber people and he aggree with spanish people...this koummiya is of time of Raisuli (1870-1925) for my moroccan friend... he has tell me other important information abaut this dagger but i dont able to translate in english....BUT for you is possible ???

28th January 2007, 06:07 PM	#3
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	info hi , thank you Yes i post information of berber symbol when I have translate it...Azedine , my moroccan friend has find this information on internet (in arabian language) and on his personal books... i post this pommel of koummiya...it is very similar to other koummiya for me!!!!!????

28th January 2007, 06:09 PM	#4
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	this is photo!!! Attached Images

29th January 2007, 01:49 AM	#7
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	thanks thanks Jim McDougall and Manolo for information.... I post berber information this week .... but abaut blade of moroccan dagger,for Azedine is not important blade of koummiya becouse berber use not good iron like european blade and much koummiya are confused with tourist item but it is good.... for Azidine this little koummiya is good , not tourist item for exemple...blade is not made with good iron but he tell me that is not important for normal berber people....not scheich or head or rich berber.... sorry for my little english!!! Attached Images

28th January 2007, 05:42 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,608	Thank you ErnestoJuan!! and for the 'Peacocks Tail' term which I have added to my notes. Also appreciate the note on the fluted grips, which as I mention I had not seen on the few examples I have handled. You are right, like so many ethnographic weapons, information is pretty sparse on the koummya, and must be gleaned from many sources. I very much hope you might post the pictures and info on those koummya variants once you get settled BerberDagger, I am very interested in knowing more on that Berber symbol! and would like to find out more on symbols used by Berber tribes if you can find out more, please post OK? We have always seen pretty general geometric designs used in material culture throughout the Sahara, but if you have access to data on that it would be excellent if we could identify such tribal markings. Thanks very much guys! All the best, Jim

28th January 2007, 06:38 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,608	Thanks BerberDagger, I look forward to more on that information! Thats great, you have another one too! Very nice All the best, Jim

28th January 2007, 06:57 PM	#6
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi BerberDagger! Also have a look at this useful site: http://blade.japet.com/koummya.htm Emanuel