Rangsang Rias Pusaka Bangsa II -- Keris Competition Winners

BluErf · 19th February 2005, 04:31 PM

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tom hyle · 19th February 2005, 04:41 PM

Thank you, and I'm sure others will have deeper commentary, but just let me say "what's up, penis shaped handle?"

Is it? Or is it a stylized figure, as more usual? Did they have those "German helmets" in Indonesia?

In India, public very openly designated penis (lingam?) sculptures are common, and usually religious.

tom hyle · 19th February 2005, 04:44 PM

Check the laddered pamor, BTW

John · 19th February 2005, 05:50 PM

Ah, the pictures I've been waiting to see. I could at once recognise about 10 of the items as well as to whom they belong except for a panjang (sheath with white/black stripes) which I once saw at a site for sale. Congratulations to the worthy winners especially our forumites.

nechesh · 19th February 2005, 06:36 PM

Wow Kai Wee, it must be an amazing experience to be in the presence of all these exquisite keris from all across the spectrum of styles and locations. Thanks for the pics. Even with their quality drawbacks they are well worth viewing. It would be almost senseless to make inividual coments since all those on display are wonderful in their own ways. I must say, the idea of competing keris does seem a strange one to me. Much the way i look at art and beauty contests, much is in the eye of the beholder. And seeing the keris as a sacred and personal object it seems strange to parade and judge them. But without such a contest we would, of course, be denied seeing all these beautiful keris. Thanks for your efforts.

moose · 19th February 2005, 08:49 PM

I didn't realize that sudang were eligible for a cleaning or judging in the contest. I would like to know more about this.

thank you,

moose

BluErf · 20th February 2005, 02:07 AM

Hi Tom -- I don't know much about that 'well-endowed' specimen of a keris.

This has been the only instance of such a form I've ever seen. Judging from the quality of the carving, it was done by an accomplished carver. Imagine wearing it from the belt with the hilt protruding forward...

Hi John -- Where are your pieces man! I remember some really good ones that went your way, like the super-thick Bugis chieftain piece with rhino horn handle, the luk 5 Bugis piece with very well-carved rose-motif on the ivory handle. I think you also have a luk 13 Bugis piece. Next year, ok!

Hi Nechesh -- Well, its the same thing with beauty pageant I guess, but they always manage to come up with a Miss Universe every year (although I'm kinda sad that no Chinese or Malay has ever been crowned Miss Universe...

).

This keris competition is to encourage people to share their pieces, and to promote awareness in keris art. We do have some problems convincing collectors to put forth their best pieces because everyone (including myself to a certain extent) is paranoid about our 'babies' getting damaged, stolen (touch wood!!!!!!), et cetera. In other words, all the bad things parents worry about over their children.

But hey, the competition has come and gone and everything's fine.

We know there are many fine pieces out there owned by Singapore collectors, but weren't entered into the competition. We hope to see them for subsequent years' competition. And of course we hope even overseas collectors would come forward and showcase their pieces. These pieces are handled with care by only a few people who are collectors themselves, and are being exhibited in a museum setting (The Malay Heritage Centre is technically a museum); how often does one's pieces get displayed in a museum (even if its just for a few days for non-winners, and 1 mth for winners).

Hi Moose -- Sundangs are considered kerises. And yes, we love to see more of them come in. If you are interested, just contact Adni for next year's competition (should be around January or February).

rahman · 20th February 2005, 02:39 AM

Fantastic collection! I wanted to go for the event but went down with the flu throughout Chinese New Year

This really set the benchmark for keris collectors, doesn't it?

Blu - were you one of the judges? Who else?

I think this is a great start for Singapore collectors. Hopefully we can see more next year.

John · 20th February 2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Hi John -- Where are your pieces man! I remember some really good ones that went your way, like the super-thick Bugis chieftain piece with rhino horn handle, the luk 5 Bugis piece with very well-carved rose-motif on the ivory handle. I think you also have a luk 13 Bugis piece. Next year, ok!

Somehow in some ways I owe it to you guys for always providing "benchmarks" in the spirit of sharing of what you have and know that I've been able to acquire a handful items that I really treasure but I know they won't stand a chance with those superior items you guys have although I wouldn't mind joining the fray if I were in Singapore

. Would certainly enjoy the ramai2 and also have much to belajar from you guys.

19th February 2005, 04:31 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	11 Attached Images

19th February 2005, 04:41 PM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Thank you, and I'm sure others will have deeper commentary, but just let me say "what's up, penis shaped handle?" Is it? Or is it a stylized figure, as more usual? Did they have those "German helmets" in Indonesia? In India, public very openly designated penis (lingam?) sculptures are common, and usually religious.

19th February 2005, 04:44 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Check the laddered pamor, BTW

19th February 2005, 05:50 PM	#4
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	Ah, the pictures I've been waiting to see. I could at once recognise about 10 of the items as well as to whom they belong except for a panjang (sheath with white/black stripes) which I once saw at a site for sale. Congratulations to the worthy winners especially our forumites.

19th February 2005, 06:36 PM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Wow Kai Wee, it must be an amazing experience to be in the presence of all these exquisite keris from all across the spectrum of styles and locations. Thanks for the pics. Even with their quality drawbacks they are well worth viewing. It would be almost senseless to make inividual coments since all those on display are wonderful in their own ways. I must say, the idea of competing keris does seem a strange one to me. Much the way i look at art and beauty contests, much is in the eye of the beholder. And seeing the keris as a sacred and personal object it seems strange to parade and judge them. But without such a contest we would, of course, be denied seeing all these beautiful keris. Thanks for your efforts.

19th February 2005, 08:49 PM	#6
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	I didn't realize that sudang were eligible for a cleaning or judging in the contest. I would like to know more about this. thank you, moose

20th February 2005, 02:07 AM	#7
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hi Tom -- I don't know much about that 'well-endowed' specimen of a keris. This has been the only instance of such a form I've ever seen. Judging from the quality of the carving, it was done by an accomplished carver. Imagine wearing it from the belt with the hilt protruding forward... Hi John -- Where are your pieces man! I remember some really good ones that went your way, like the super-thick Bugis chieftain piece with rhino horn handle, the luk 5 Bugis piece with very well-carved rose-motif on the ivory handle. I think you also have a luk 13 Bugis piece. Next year, ok! Hi Nechesh -- Well, its the same thing with beauty pageant I guess, but they always manage to come up with a Miss Universe every year (although I'm kinda sad that no Chinese or Malay has ever been crowned Miss Universe... ). This keris competition is to encourage people to share their pieces, and to promote awareness in keris art. We do have some problems convincing collectors to put forth their best pieces because everyone (including myself to a certain extent) is paranoid about our 'babies' getting damaged, stolen (touch wood!!!!!!), et cetera. In other words, all the bad things parents worry about over their children. But hey, the competition has come and gone and everything's fine. We know there are many fine pieces out there owned by Singapore collectors, but weren't entered into the competition. We hope to see them for subsequent years' competition. And of course we hope even overseas collectors would come forward and showcase their pieces. These pieces are handled with care by only a few people who are collectors themselves, and are being exhibited in a museum setting (The Malay Heritage Centre is technically a museum); how often does one's pieces get displayed in a museum (even if its just for a few days for non-winners, and 1 mth for winners). Hi Moose -- Sundangs are considered kerises. And yes, we love to see more of them come in. If you are interested, just contact Adni for next year's competition (should be around January or February).

20th February 2005, 02:39 AM	#8
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Fantastic collection! I wanted to go for the event but went down with the flu throughout Chinese New Year This really set the benchmark for keris collectors, doesn't it? Blu - were you one of the judges? Who else? I think this is a great start for Singapore collectors. Hopefully we can see more next year.