A new generation of fakes

TVV · 31st December 2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HUSAR

Probably we can soon expect some "nice" indo-persian fakes

while I have seen Chinese dealers buying books on indo persian arms and armor .... as well as some daggers and swords...

I somehow do not see the Chinese massproducing wootz blades to sell them at $0.99 ($75 shipping).

William.m · 31st December 2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

I somehow do not see the Chinese massproducing wootz blades to sell them at $0.99 ($75 shipping).

I wouldn't put it past them. Sometimes when at auctions I see terrible fake guntos with a hada that has been etched on with acid. This can be easily modified into a fake wootz. Sure it would look terrible but could fool the beginner.

Will

BBJW · 31st December 2006, 12:46 AM

I think Husar is right and it is only a matter of time. If you buy a piece from China for .99 + $100.00 shipping chances are close to 99.999% it's a fake. A very real problem is people who have bought these fakes trying to recoup their money. Wishing everyone a Happy Healthy New Year!

bj

BSMStar · 31st December 2006, 04:29 AM

As a Soviet collector, and briefly browsing through the other offerings... everything that I saw was suspect… the prices were a bit on the low side, but to have so many rare badges in perfect condition (and yet a bit crudely made), I would save my money. Not all repros come out of China. The Russian tend to repro a bunch of their “own stuff” too.

ariel · 31st December 2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BSMStar

As a Soviet collector, and briefly browsing through the other offerings... everything that I saw was suspect… the prices were a bit on the low side, but to have so many rare badges in perfect condition (and yet a bit crudely made), I would save my money. Not all repros come out of China. The Russian tend to repro a bunch of their “own stuff” too.

Have you noticed that most of the Russian Tsarist-era military swords on e-bay are inscibed "Za Khrabrost" ( "For gallantry") and have a St. Anne's cross?
Kind of a Lake Wobegon ('" all children are above average") military

Tatyana Dianova · 6th January 2007, 10:02 PM

Hello All!

I just have found in one serious (

) Russian Internet shop a Zlatoust shashka which was already sold. It is claimed to be 100% original. But it looks to me that markings have same errors.
It would be interesting for me to know if it is a fake or not, or maybe it is a compilation?
http://www.leibstandarte.ru/good.php?id=3972
Also, can somebody give me any trusted sources, where real samples (good photos and detailed descriptions) of shashkas from different times (especially WW1 to WW2) are shown. From my side I can recommend following books:
Russian Cold Arms, A.N.Kulinskiy, Atlant, 2005 (In Russian)
Russian Cold Arms 1800 - 1917, A.N.Kulinskiy, 1994 (In Russian)
Just to claim that something is a fake, without providing any evidences is not proper.

ariel · 8th January 2007, 05:03 PM

Tatyana,
I think this one is legit. Of course, handling would be much better, but...
The original "shashka" that started this thread, was an obvious Chinese fake, as based on the inscriptions: one doesn't need to perform a sophisticated analysis to claim that that a particular portrait is not by Rembrandt if the "Flemish lady" is wearing a "Swatch" and the paint is acrylic

Where are you from?

HUSAR · 31st December 2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

I somehow do not see the Chinese massproducing wootz blades to sell them at $0.99 ($75 shipping).

Hello
I would not expect that Chinese are going to produce wootz, but there is big number of expensive items which could be reproduced. I have already seen chain mails with riveted rings... and nice bazubands of welded damast pattern...
Best
HUSAR

31st December 2006, 12:46 AM	#3
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 230	Chinese fakes I think Husar is right and it is only a matter of time. If you buy a piece from China for .99 + $100.00 shipping chances are close to 99.999% it's a fake. A very real problem is people who have bought these fakes trying to recoup their money. Wishing everyone a Happy Healthy New Year! bj

31st December 2006, 04:29 AM	#4
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	As a Soviet collector, and briefly browsing through the other offerings... everything that I saw was suspect… the prices were a bit on the low side, but to have so many rare badges in perfect condition (and yet a bit crudely made), I would save my money. Not all repros come out of China. The Russian tend to repro a bunch of their “own stuff” too.

6th January 2007, 10:02 PM	#6
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Hello All! I just have found in one serious ( ) Russian Internet shop a Zlatoust shashka which was already sold. It is claimed to be 100% original. But it looks to me that markings have same errors. It would be interesting for me to know if it is a fake or not, or maybe it is a compilation? http://www.leibstandarte.ru/good.php?id=3972 Also, can somebody give me any trusted sources, where real samples (good photos and detailed descriptions) of shashkas from different times (especially WW1 to WW2) are shown. From my side I can recommend following books: Russian Cold Arms, A.N.Kulinskiy, Atlant, 2005 (In Russian) Russian Cold Arms 1800 - 1917, A.N.Kulinskiy, 1994 (In Russian) Just to claim that something is a fake, without providing any evidences is not proper.

8th January 2007, 05:03 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Tatyana, I think this one is legit. Of course, handling would be much better, but... The original "shashka" that started this thread, was an obvious Chinese fake, as based on the inscriptions: one doesn't need to perform a sophisticated analysis to claim that that a particular portrait is not by Rembrandt if the "Flemish lady" is wearing a "Swatch" and the paint is acrylic Where are you from?