Moro keris without clamps

kai · 28th December 2006, 04:56 PM

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Does anyone else think that this blade might be of Indonesian origin?

I'm with David - I'm also convinced that the blade was crafted in Indonesia or Malaysia (and most likely all fittings, too). Looks like a piece which Adni could have sold...

Paolo, are those pics from Artzi?

I don't think the blade was ever supposed to be fitted with an Asang-asang - the file work in that area resembles more the usual keris style and is one of the reasons why I think a keris smith made this blade. It also seems to have regular pamor. The latter seems to be invariably present on modern reproductions by Maduranese smiths. However, this piece looks nicer than all those "Madura Kris" I've seen and I'd be tempted to believe this is a genuine (vintage?) Malay/Straits piece with new(er) quality fittings. Maybe our forumites from Singapore can chime in?

Regards,
Kai

paolo · 28th December 2006, 05:05 PM

I don't bought it by Adni. The seller was Asoka arts in England. I took the pics.
Paolo

paolo · 28th December 2006, 05:08 PM

You seems interested to the blade, so I send two other pics, not too good, of the pamor.
Regards
Paolo

Alam Shah · 28th December 2006, 06:12 PM

Hi Paolo,
From the fittings, looks like a Malay Sundang of Peninsular Malaysia.

It is common to find Malay Sundang without the clamps.

Here is one example. Note the difference in blade material. The fittings are similar.
http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...elayu_luk5.htm

paolo · 28th December 2006, 08:04 PM

How old do you think the keris might be ?
Regards
Paolo

CharlesS · 28th December 2006, 08:42 PM

The asthetics of the blade certainly say Indonesian, but the length and girth do not. The Malay attribution makes more sense. In the other (Malay)example given via link, I think we could also agree that there have been elements of the hilt that have been reworked, as it does not match in age, or fit, the blade and Adni notes this in his description(late 20th Cent.). The scabbard seems virtually identical in style to the one presented, but is newer.

I think it is a composite piece, but of quality parts.

I would like to know more about the very interesting blade.

David · 28th December 2006, 09:04 PM

Yes i would agree that it is more correctly Malay. I mistakenly said Indo just to seperate it from Moro, but Malay would prpbably be more specifically correct. I also think the hilt and the sheath were Malay crafted and that this piece was never intended to have baca-baca. I don't see any obvious evidence of any part of the blade being ground down as Charles suggests. I am not sure what you mean exactly by composite piece in this case. If you mean that the dress was not original to the blade, that is probably so. But i think it is in keeping with the culture of the blade. As we all know, dress is often changed on keris. But when i think composite i think of more inappropriate and incompatable combinations.

28th December 2006, 05:08 PM	#3
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	You seems interested to the blade, so I send two other pics, not too good, of the pamor. Regards Paolo Attached Images

28th December 2006, 05:05 PM	#2
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	I don't bought it by Adni. The seller was Asoka arts in England. I took the pics. Paolo

28th December 2006, 06:12 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Paolo, From the fittings, looks like a Malay Sundang of Peninsular Malaysia. It is common to find Malay Sundang without the clamps. Here is one example. Note the difference in blade material. The fittings are similar. http://www.geocities.com/keris4u/ker...elayu_luk5.htm

28th December 2006, 08:04 PM	#5
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	How old do you think the keris might be ? Regards Paolo

28th December 2006, 08:42 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	The asthetics of the blade certainly say Indonesian, but the length and girth do not. The Malay attribution makes more sense. In the other (Malay)example given via link, I think we could also agree that there have been elements of the hilt that have been reworked, as it does not match in age, or fit, the blade and Adni notes this in his description(late 20th Cent.). The scabbard seems virtually identical in style to the one presented, but is newer. I think it is a composite piece, but of quality parts. I would like to know more about the very interesting blade.

28th December 2006, 09:04 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,261	Yes i would agree that it is more correctly Malay. I mistakenly said Indo just to seperate it from Moro, but Malay would prpbably be more specifically correct. I also think the hilt and the sheath were Malay crafted and that this piece was never intended to have baca-baca. I don't see any obvious evidence of any part of the blade being ground down as Charles suggests. I am not sure what you mean exactly by composite piece in this case. If you mean that the dress was not original to the blade, that is probably so. But i think it is in keeping with the culture of the blade. As we all know, dress is often changed on keris. But when i think composite i think of more inappropriate and incompatable combinations.