Identification of keris hilt

Alam Shah · 16th February 2005, 11:53 PM

On both sides...

Alam Shah · 18th February 2005, 03:21 AM

Jan,
Let's have a look at your piece...

Jan · 20th February 2005, 02:52 PM

And here it is.

rasdan · 23rd February 2005, 05:52 AM

Hi guys,

IMHO these hilts are of recent manufacture. I recently seen another one in Kg. Baru Antique shop KL. It looks down right similar to the example in the book. In Alam Shah's example, i think its an old blade fitted later on with the hilt. The inscription also looks recent as well. I'm not sure if the inscription is Koranic but if it is, it rather ironic to have it on a blade with a putut hilt which is "unislamic".

rahman · 23rd February 2005, 06:59 AM

I think Alam Shah has said the inscription is talismanic rather than Quranic.

Alam -- what exactly does it say? Is it in Malay?

Alam Shah · 28th February 2005, 05:50 AM

After considering the comments...below is my opinion.

> Rasdan : IMHO these hilts are of recent manufacture
I think so too. But mine is at least 15 years only. (That's how long I've kept it).

What I believe.
Mine is a 2-piece keris (although the hilt cannot be removed). It's not a keris sajen.
The piece is used as a protective talisman, in Malay/Indonesia, by a spiritual healer. To use against disturbance from malevolent spirits and such.
To add functionality, the inscription was added at a later stage.

- Why this particular hilt is used? I don't know.
But i guess, it's just a symbol that the keris is for talismanic use...

> rahman: what exactly does it say? Is it in Malay?
No, it's not in malay. See the images that I had posted. It's more symbolic rather than an incantation.

I appreciate the comments from all who had participated. Thank you.

rahman · 28th February 2005, 07:55 AM

> rahman: what exactly does it say? Is it in Malay?
No, it's not in malay. See the images that I had posted. It's more symbolic rather than an incantation.

Sorry, my Jawi is 'karat; (rusty). If it's not in Malay, what exactly does it say? Can u transliterate? and what is that kitab you used to decipher it?

Quote:

The talismanic inscription on one side... (reference from Kitab Aji Mantra Guna), which translated to be "untuk menangkap maling". Accordingly, if a thief stole something from a place which is guarded by this talisman, the person would not be able to find his way out.

This reminds me of what my late father-in-law said. A thief came into his house one day, but somehow could not find his way out. My wife said he might have had a keris... sorry, I had World War III with my in-laws decades ago.

16th February 2005, 11:53 PM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Inscriptions on the blade...both sides On both sides... Attached Images

18th February 2005, 03:21 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Another example... Jan, Let's have a look at your piece...

20th February 2005, 02:52 PM	#3
Jan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 8	And here it is. Attached Images Last edited by Jan; 20th February 2005 at 03:38 PM.

28th February 2005, 05:50 AM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	My Conclusion...? After considering the comments...below is my opinion. > Rasdan : IMHO these hilts are of recent manufacture I think so too. But mine is at least 15 years only. (That's how long I've kept it). What I believe. Mine is a 2-piece keris (although the hilt cannot be removed). It's not a keris sajen. The piece is used as a protective talisman, in Malay/Indonesia, by a spiritual healer. To use against disturbance from malevolent spirits and such. To add functionality, the inscription was added at a later stage. - Why this particular hilt is used? I don't know. But i guess, it's just a symbol that the keris is for talismanic use... > rahman: what exactly does it say? Is it in Malay? No, it's not in malay. See the images that I had posted. It's more symbolic rather than an incantation. I appreciate the comments from all who had participated. Thank you.

23rd February 2005, 05:52 AM	#4
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Hi guys, IMHO these hilts are of recent manufacture. I recently seen another one in Kg. Baru Antique shop KL. It looks down right similar to the example in the book. In Alam Shah's example, i think its an old blade fitted later on with the hilt. The inscription also looks recent as well. I'm not sure if the inscription is Koranic but if it is, it rather ironic to have it on a blade with a putut hilt which is "unislamic".

23rd February 2005, 06:59 AM	#5
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	I think Alam Shah has said the inscription is talismanic rather than Quranic. Alam -- what exactly does it say? Is it in Malay?