my first keris

Tim Simmons · 1st December 2006, 10:55 AM

I do not know about composite but I think it sucks! The sellers use of "used" is just a euphemism for brand spanking new

. I paid less for the all metal lance and the Naga dao both wonderful pieces, I said my luck would run out. It seems to rely on wieght rather than any really skilled tempering of the blade. Used is a very meaningless term, something to remember. It was probably made for tourists. pictures of the crap to follow

Alam Shah · 1st December 2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I do not know about composite but I think it sucks!

Hi Tim, the small eBay pictures were misleading.

I was expecting to see two properly formed grooves (sogokan depan and sogokan belakang) at the bottom centre of the blade, not two lines of what seems to be formed by a grinder and looked unfinished.

The nice part of this ensemble is, the hilt ring (pendokok). A Malay Straits model. Although it looks new, it's well-formed.

Rick · 1st December 2006, 02:47 PM

Tim, is this experience going to sour you on keris?

This piece is much better than the first K.L.O. I purchased.

Be of good cheer. <pats Tim on the back>

Rick

Tim Simmons · 1st December 2006, 04:26 PM

No Rick, I am on my guard now. The seller failed to mention the rare "ha ha knobend" pamor

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Tim Simmons · 1st December 2006, 07:13 PM

I am not trying to pull this back from the abyss but this side of the blade shows some signs of forging and folding so I am not sure it has been wholly ground to shape. It is still brand new though.

Tim Simmons · 1st December 2006, 08:33 PM

I just want to ask now that this is obviously a brand new piece. The quallity is a matter of taste. Does it still represent a composite piece? What would be the point especially if sold to tourists. There are no composite pieces in the collecting of African work, it is said to have neighbouring influences. Composite to me seems to have a collectors tone of disapproval. Do I need to study more?

David · 1st December 2006, 09:30 PM

Tim, i don't believe that composite pieces are ALWAYS to be disapproved of. Sometimes a seller has a few various parts lying around that he slaps together for sale.

Sometimes a keris from one region may end up in the dress of anothet for completely legitimate cultural reasons. If one has moved form, say Jawa, to Bali, they might feel the need to dress their keris in accordance with local custom. Some keris make their way to different islands and trade items and are then dressed locally.
i am not so sure that your piece is composite. The blade is certainly not a well made piece, but it is a forged piece, so i would call it a keris. And Alam Shah is correct to point out that it has a nice pendokok and the sheath seems to be a nice wood. All in all i wouldn't go so far as to say you were mugged. You probably didn't pay too much more that the market value.

1st December 2006, 10:55 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,895	It is here, what a sucker! I do not know about composite but I think it sucks! The sellers use of "used" is just a euphemism for brand spanking new . I paid less for the all metal lance and the Naga dao both wonderful pieces, I said my luck would run out. It seems to rely on wieght rather than any really skilled tempering of the blade. Used is a very meaningless term, something to remember. It was probably made for tourists. pictures of the crap to follow Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st December 2006 at 11:18 AM.

1st December 2006, 02:47 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Tim, is this experience going to sour you on keris? This piece is much better than the first K.L.O. I purchased. Be of good cheer. <pats Tim on the back> Rick

1st December 2006, 04:26 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,895	No Rick, I am on my guard now. The seller failed to mention the rare "ha ha knobend" pamor .

1st December 2006, 07:13 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,895	I am not trying to pull this back from the abyss but this side of the blade shows some signs of forging and folding so I am not sure it has been wholly ground to shape. It is still brand new though.

1st December 2006, 08:33 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,895	I just want to ask now that this is obviously a brand new piece. The quallity is a matter of taste. Does it still represent a composite piece? What would be the point especially if sold to tourists. There are no composite pieces in the collecting of African work, it is said to have neighbouring influences. Composite to me seems to have a collectors tone of disapproval. Do I need to study more?

1st December 2006, 09:30 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,240	Tim, i don't believe that composite pieces are ALWAYS to be disapproved of. Sometimes a seller has a few various parts lying around that he slaps together for sale. Sometimes a keris from one region may end up in the dress of anothet for completely legitimate cultural reasons. If one has moved form, say Jawa, to Bali, they might feel the need to dress their keris in accordance with local custom. Some keris make their way to different islands and trade items and are then dressed locally. i am not so sure that your piece is composite. The blade is certainly not a well made piece, but it is a forged piece, so i would call it a keris. And Alam Shah is correct to point out that it has a nice pendokok and the sheath seems to be a nice wood. All in all i wouldn't go so far as to say you were mugged. You probably didn't pay too much more that the market value.