Borneo ?? Sumatra ??

Dajak · 5th November 2006, 11:58 AM

Hi Michael this is an parang with mixed up style (but an very nice old one) not an mandau it does not have the classic mandau form
it has only an krowit that make it not an mandau but always difficult with these weapons to put an classification on it
I have an straight parang nabur that is pictured in Zonnevelds Book wit an krowit

Here some pics about an latok sadap and an very old style Jimpul with an Latok type handle .

I have also an Dajak sword that has parang Latok type off handle that was taken in 1820 by an british officer you see that on your visit

The handle s like this was the early form off handle they use

Dajak · 5th November 2006, 12:01 PM

Here the pics

VVV · 5th November 2006, 02:09 PM

Hi Ben,

Yes, I agree that my parang does not follow the mandau classification strictly.
Maybe better to call it a Dayak parang inspired by the Malay swords like yours?

Both the blades you show are very interesting variations. The heavy Jimpul with Latok resembling handle is unique as far as I know.
On the 1820 Dayak sword you showed me I think it's a Parang Pedang.

Michael

VVV · 5th November 2006, 05:18 PM

Something strange with the picture examples from Borneo and Jambi above that are alternating places?
Maybe somebody I forgot to treat, as in trick or treat?
The one with 90 degrees bud is Borneo and the one with more straight bud at the top is Jambi.

Michael

Dajak · 5th November 2006, 07:13 PM

Hi Michael I think not Dayak parang but Borneo parang is the best to say
because it is difficult to say wich group this use .
Not all the people off Borneo are called Dayak.
And don t forget the Malay people had a lot influence in Sarawak but also chinese.

That is what it make s difficult.

Ben

VVV · 5th November 2006, 07:36 PM

Hi Ben,

Not sure which parang you are referring to?
On my parang I think it's one of the Dayak tribes, based on the blade.
On your Parang Pedang it's probably either "pure" Malay or Melanau.
For sure there are, and was, a lot of different influences and groups of people on Borneo.

Michael

Dajak · 5th November 2006, 08:38 PM

Hi Michael yes your parang is Dayak that is why I put the latok pic on
I was also thinking it maybe an blade form between Latok and mandau

I did mean my parang Borneo parang.

the parang pedang a bring back from 1820 I think come s from North borneo
because ut have the brass collar like the pakayuns but also difficult
I don t think it is malay the blade form and size I
never see at malay weapons .
It is more pakayun style blade

Ben

5th November 2006, 11:58 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael this is an parang with mixed up style (but an very nice old one) not an mandau it does not have the classic mandau form it has only an krowit that make it not an mandau but always difficult with these weapons to put an classification on it I have an straight parang nabur that is pictured in Zonnevelds Book wit an krowit Here some pics about an latok sadap and an very old style Jimpul with an Latok type handle . I have also an Dajak sword that has parang Latok type off handle that was taken in 1820 by an british officer you see that on your visit The handle s like this was the early form off handle they use Last edited by Dajak; 5th November 2006 at 12:08 PM.

5th November 2006, 12:01 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Here the pics Attached Images

5th November 2006, 02:09 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Yes, I agree that my parang does not follow the mandau classification strictly. Maybe better to call it a Dayak parang inspired by the Malay swords like yours? Both the blades you show are very interesting variations. The heavy Jimpul with Latok resembling handle is unique as far as I know. On the 1820 Dayak sword you showed me I think it's a Parang Pedang. Michael

5th November 2006, 05:18 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Something strange with the picture examples from Borneo and Jambi above that are alternating places? Maybe somebody I forgot to treat, as in trick or treat? The one with 90 degrees bud is Borneo and the one with more straight bud at the top is Jambi. Michael

5th November 2006, 07:13 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael I think not Dayak parang but Borneo parang is the best to say because it is difficult to say wich group this use . Not all the people off Borneo are called Dayak. And don t forget the Malay people had a lot influence in Sarawak but also chinese. That is what it make s difficult. Ben

5th November 2006, 07:36 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Not sure which parang you are referring to? On my parang I think it's one of the Dayak tribes, based on the blade. On your Parang Pedang it's probably either "pure" Malay or Melanau. For sure there are, and was, a lot of different influences and groups of people on Borneo. Michael

5th November 2006, 08:38 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael yes your parang is Dayak that is why I put the latok pic on I was also thinking it maybe an blade form between Latok and mandau I did mean my parang Borneo parang. the parang pedang a bring back from 1820 I think come s from North borneo because ut have the brass collar like the pakayuns but also difficult I don t think it is malay the blade form and size I never see at malay weapons . It is more pakayun style blade Ben