Tulwar European blade? for comment

Jim McDougall · 2nd November 2006, 03:34 AM

I completely agree with Jens, this appears to be a well made Indian interpretation of probably European sabre blades. The stepped blade near the base seems an Indian characteristic on some tulwar blades.
The 'Genoa' is an application often employed on numerous trade blades implying degree of quality and was often associated with the well known 'sickle' marks . These marks looking like toothed half circles in parallel often appeared with 'Genoa' or sometimes 'fringia' and without words as well, and are known to have used in Styrian and Caucasian bladeworks (where the term gurda denotes 'good blade' I am told).

HUSAR · 2nd November 2006, 06:19 PM

Hello
Thank you for comments, now I`m more sure that this is not an European blade… According to GENOA marks or other mentioned by Jim please find some on the picture I have some blades on which is even wrong spelling as GNEOA and GANEA … Imported blades from Italy were very often used in Polish swords.
Regards
Husar

Jens Nordlunde · 2nd November 2006, 06:30 PM

Hi Husar,

Yes it is a bit tricky, but thank you for the illustration. I am especially interested in one at the bottom to the right. Have alook at this one.

HUSAR · 2nd November 2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Hi Husar,

Yes it is a bit tricky, but thank you for the illustration. I am especially interested in one at the bottom to the right. Have alook at this one.

Hi Jen
on what kind of blade do you have this one? Can you post picture of whole?

Jens Nordlunde · 2nd November 2006, 09:35 PM

Yes i can, although i don't see what difference it makes.

HUSAR · 5th November 2006, 07:37 PM

HI Jens
I just wonted to see blade construction, which reminds me european smiths hmm
the second mark near the hilt is with persian characters inside or?? I checked few of my books but I could not find the same marking

I can only say that "stars" look simmilar to markings on one of my firangi swords.

Best
Husar

Jens Nordlunde · 5th November 2006, 09:14 PM

Hi Husar,

The deep stamp close to the langet says 'Ibrahim', and at the back of the blade is another inscription.
Do you know this one?

2nd November 2006, 06:19 PM	#2
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	Hello Thank you for comments, now I`m more sure that this is not an European blade… According to GENOA marks or other mentioned by Jim please find some on the picture I have some blades on which is even wrong spelling as GNEOA and GANEA … Imported blades from Italy were very often used in Polish swords. Regards Husar Attached Images

2nd November 2006, 06:30 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Husar, Yes it is a bit tricky, but thank you for the illustration. I am especially interested in one at the bottom to the right. Have alook at this one. Attached Images

2nd November 2006, 09:35 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes i can, although i don't see what difference it makes. Attached Images

5th November 2006, 09:14 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Husar, The deep stamp close to the langet says 'Ibrahim', and at the back of the blade is another inscription. Do you know this one? Attached Images

2nd November 2006, 03:34 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,191	I completely agree with Jens, this appears to be a well made Indian interpretation of probably European sabre blades. The stepped blade near the base seems an Indian characteristic on some tulwar blades. The 'Genoa' is an application often employed on numerous trade blades implying degree of quality and was often associated with the well known 'sickle' marks . These marks looking like toothed half circles in parallel often appeared with 'Genoa' or sometimes 'fringia' and without words as well, and are known to have used in Styrian and Caucasian bladeworks (where the term gurda denotes 'good blade' I am told).

5th November 2006, 07:37 PM	#6
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	HI Jens I just wonted to see blade construction, which reminds me european smiths hmm the second mark near the hilt is with persian characters inside or?? I checked few of my books but I could not find the same marking I can only say that "stars" look simmilar to markings on one of my firangi swords. Best Husar