Moro shield

Tim Simmons · 15th October 2006, 05:13 PM

I think it is safe to say it is not African. The trouble with books of the last century, and therefore many collectors and dealers is that some things are seen and catalogued in an absolutist manner. This is very noticeable with African artifacts. When in reality there was a flux between borders, styles and some cultural influences. Many an objects form may be governed by wealth and local materials. Looking at this area of SE Asia, I would not at all be surprised if this shield form, with some local differences did not cover thousands of miles N,S,W and E.

Bill, what a fabulous glimpse at the depth of your collection. I like that adze.

David · 15th October 2006, 05:44 PM

Well, when i look at the eBay example that Lew linked, while the form is similar the style of weaving appears to be a very different technique. Of course, this eBay example might not be African either for all i know.

Bill M · 15th October 2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I think it is safe to say it is not African. The trouble with books of the last century, and therefore many collectors and dealers is that some things are seen and catalogued in an absolutist manner. This is very noticeable with African artifacts. When in reality there was a flux between borders, styles and some cultural influences. Many an objects form may be governed by wealth and local materials. Looking at this area of SE Asia, I would not at all be surprised if this shield form, with some local differences did not cover thousands of miles N,S,W and E.

Bill, what a fabulous glimpse at the depth of your collection. I like that adze.

Tim, Thank you for the compliment. The adz is a very special piece. It has been in a french collection for about a hundred years. Just got it a few months ago. The same curator who reccomended the crocodile mask said that I had to get the adz also.

The piece with breasts is a Theyyam body mask/ armor, used in trance rituals in Kerala / Malabar. Bet they are really busy with Goddess festivals about now!

Dajak · 15th October 2006, 09:48 PM

Maybe the book Basketry of the Luzon Cordillera, philippines

can help about the weaving form

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

Maybe the book Basketry of the Luzon Cordillera, philippines

can help about the weaving form

Just ordered it from Amazon. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Bill do you have the book shields from Prestel
take a look on page 132 pic 66

can't find this book, Ben. Is that the exact title?

spiral · 16th October 2006, 12:49 AM

Bill,

Appears published by 2 publishers. Here a fuller discription.

Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. To be published in 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific in the Barbier-Mueller Museum [working title]. Munich: Prestel Verlag.

Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific [working title]. Genève: Musée Barbier-Mueller.

Spiral

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by spiral

Bill,

Appears published by 2 publishers. Here a fuller discription.

Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. To be published in 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific in the Barbier-Mueller Museum [working title]. Munich: Prestel Verlag.

Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific [working title]. Genève: Musée Barbier-Mueller.

Spiral

Sorry, can't find it anywhere. Any links?

Bill

spiral · 16th October 2006, 01:09 AM

Sure Bill,

Loads of places selling it, heres a few.

http://www.amazon.com/Shields-Southe.../dp/3791323415

or

http://www.ursusbooks.com/item91243.html

or

http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Shields-I...?isrc=b-search

Spiral

15th October 2006, 05:13 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	I think it is safe to say it is not African. The trouble with books of the last century, and therefore many collectors and dealers is that some things are seen and catalogued in an absolutist manner. This is very noticeable with African artifacts. When in reality there was a flux between borders, styles and some cultural influences. Many an objects form may be governed by wealth and local materials. Looking at this area of SE Asia, I would not at all be surprised if this shield form, with some local differences did not cover thousands of miles N,S,W and E. Bill, what a fabulous glimpse at the depth of your collection. I like that adze.

15th October 2006, 05:44 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Well, when i look at the eBay example that Lew linked, while the form is similar the style of weaving appears to be a very different technique. Of course, this eBay example might not be African either for all i know.

15th October 2006, 09:48 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Maybe the book Basketry of the Luzon Cordillera, philippines can help about the weaving form

16th October 2006, 12:49 AM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Bill, Appears published by 2 publishers. Here a fuller discription. Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. To be published in 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific in the Barbier-Mueller Museum [working title]. Munich: Prestel Verlag. Benitez Johannot, P. and J.P. Barbier. 1998. Shields: Africa, Asia, Island Southeast Asia and the Pacific [working title]. Genève: Musée Barbier-Mueller. Spiral

16th October 2006, 01:09 AM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Sure Bill, Loads of places selling it, heres a few. http://www.amazon.com/Shields-Southe.../dp/3791323415 or http://www.ursusbooks.com/item91243.html or http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Shields-I...?isrc=b-search Spiral