Meteoric iron used for keris's vs. for Indian weapons

BSMStar · 8th February 2005, 06:12 PM

Thank you Rick!

Awesome links! But in the geochemistry, I missed any nickel bearing mineralogy... just your typical/normal Basaltic, Andesitic and Pyroclastic associated minerals.

I recall reading an article that named the location where the "poor" quality nickel-iron was being imported from, and it included the import of nickel, which didn't work out too well. I wish I could refer to it. Has anyone else seen it?

nechesh · 9th February 2005, 01:00 AM

Wayne, just a stickler point, pamor Prambanan was really introduced at the beginning of the 1800s.
I'm not sure about nickle/iron nodules from Jawa volcanos, but it was always my understanding that much of the nickleous pamor used in Jawa was imported from other islands, like pamor luwu.
Oh, and Wayne, if your wife is really gonna make you stop collecting, don't forget what i said about that nice Bali keris of yours.

BSMStar · 9th February 2005, 06:58 PM

Well nechesh,

Yea, its true she would like me to stop.... I said I would stop, if she would stop buying all those dresses, shoes and stuff she really doesn't need (or wear very often - it ends up sitting in the closet, you know what I mean).

She came home from "shopping" and just could not pass up another one of those bargins!

Well, some how another Keris just happened to show up

(and a Keris stand too? now how did that happen???

)

But back to the subject....

BSMStar · 9th February 2005, 07:00 PM

Pamor Luwu rings a bell.... can you say a little more about it?

Jens Nordlunde · 9th February 2005, 09:42 PM

I am afraid the we are back discussing kerises more than what I started - maybe I should not have started this thread.

Jens

nechesh · 9th February 2005, 11:44 PM

Well Jens, i'm afraid threads tend to have a mind of their own.

If you reread you opening post you are wondering about keris. People tend (hopefully) to talk about what they know or are interested in and since i know very little about Indian weapons i'm afraid info on keris is all i have to add to this thread.

To give you my answer to your final question in that first post, i think the reason you hear less about meteoric ore in Indian weapons than Indonesian is that inspite of the quoted passage Indian smiths still did less of it than Indonesian empus.
Wayne, pamor luwu came from Sulawesi. There is abit more about it and pamor in general on this site:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/k...ilah/pamor.htm

Jens Nordlunde · 10th February 2005, 09:15 AM

nechesh, you are right, I was a bit harsh - sorry.
When the exported wootz from Sri Lanka and India to places like Persia, Africa an other places - why was there no export known of to Indonesia, Sumatra and other places?

Rick,
Yes I have trought of that too, unfortunately the author does not go into details when telling about it.

Jens

8th February 2005, 06:12 PM	#1
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Imported materials Thank you Rick! Awesome links! But in the geochemistry, I missed any nickel bearing mineralogy... just your typical/normal Basaltic, Andesitic and Pyroclastic associated minerals. I recall reading an article that named the location where the "poor" quality nickel-iron was being imported from, and it included the import of nickel, which didn't work out too well. I wish I could refer to it. Has anyone else seen it?

9th February 2005, 06:58 PM	#3
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Collecting.... Well nechesh, Yea, its true she would like me to stop.... I said I would stop, if she would stop buying all those dresses, shoes and stuff she really doesn't need (or wear very often - it ends up sitting in the closet, you know what I mean). She came home from "shopping" and just could not pass up another one of those bargins! Well, some how another Keris just happened to show up (and a Keris stand too? now how did that happen??? ) But back to the subject....

9th February 2005, 07:00 PM	#4
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Pamor Luwu Pamor Luwu rings a bell.... can you say a little more about it?

9th February 2005, 11:44 PM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Well Jens, i'm afraid threads tend to have a mind of their own. If you reread you opening post you are wondering about keris. People tend (hopefully) to talk about what they know or are interested in and since i know very little about Indian weapons i'm afraid info on keris is all i have to add to this thread. To give you my answer to your final question in that first post, i think the reason you hear less about meteoric ore in Indian weapons than Indonesian is that inspite of the quoted passage Indian smiths still did less of it than Indonesian empus. Wayne, pamor luwu came from Sulawesi. There is abit more about it and pamor in general on this site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/k...ilah/pamor.htm Last edited by nechesh; 10th February 2005 at 06:30 PM.

9th February 2005, 01:00 AM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Wayne, just a stickler point, pamor Prambanan was really introduced at the beginning of the 1800s. I'm not sure about nickle/iron nodules from Jawa volcanos, but it was always my understanding that much of the nickleous pamor used in Jawa was imported from other islands, like pamor luwu. Oh, and Wayne, if your wife is really gonna make you stop collecting, don't forget what i said about that nice Bali keris of yours.

9th February 2005, 09:42 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am afraid the we are back discussing kerises more than what I started - maybe I should not have started this thread. Jens

10th February 2005, 09:15 AM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	nechesh, you are right, I was a bit harsh - sorry. When the exported wootz from Sri Lanka and India to places like Persia, Africa an other places - why was there no export known of to Indonesia, Sumatra and other places? Rick, Yes I have trought of that too, unfortunately the author does not go into details when telling about it. Jens