Nice Sumatran Keris For Comment

Mapico1 · 2nd September 2006, 07:27 PM

Hi Lew,
it would have been my first keris.....unfortunately it ended in the middle of the night for me....

Danny

Flavio · 2nd September 2006, 07:40 PM

Lew, a true beauty!!! Congrats!!!!!

A. G. Maisey · 2nd September 2006, 10:52 PM

Bugis/Peninsula/Sumatera keris are not my forte, however, may I suggest that we are looking at a Bugis blade in Terengganu dress?

Note the flat faces to the blade, and the decline in the joint of gonjo to blade.

I may well be incorrect, but I do not believe these are typical Trengganu blade features, whilst they are typical of classic Bugis form.

BluErf · 3rd September 2006, 05:07 AM

The Bugis diaspora ended up in many parts of peninsula Malaysia and Sumatra, including Terengganu. Hence, it is not wrong to say that this is a Bugis or Bugis-influenced blade made in Terengganu. The Bugis blades made in Peninsula Malaysia tend to be 'finer' than most Sulawesi Bugis kerises, and 'sweeter', having absorbed the Malay sense of aesthetics. It may not be as macho, but it is more pleasing to the eyes.

On Peninsula Malaysia, I see 2 major forms of kerises - the Javanese-influenced forms and the Bugis influenced-forms. The more south you go, the more predominant the Bugis-influenced forms. The more north you go, we see greater presence of Javanese-influenced forms. Apart from this common Bugis Sepokal form, there is the carita and melela forms which excel in terms of the refinedness of the dapur and perabots.

Keris melela from Terengganu:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Keris Unduk-unduk from Terengganu
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

1st pic - Dave Henkel's keris melela

2nd and 3rd pic - Dave Henkel's keris carita

BluErf · 3rd September 2006, 05:19 AM

Another carita, again from Dave Henkel's collection. Exceptionally long and fine example. Some collectors refer to the carita in the post above as a melela.

The difference between a melela and a carita is the subject of much disagreement. Most would agree that a keris with deep "double fullers", meaning double sogokan and kruwingan reaching the tip, or at least covering 3/4 of a blade, is called a melela. A carita is supposed to have shallower fullers, and in certain cases, no fullers. The confusion comes in when a keris a set of fullers that is neither shallow nor deep. Would that be a melela or carita?

BluErf · 3rd September 2006, 05:20 AM

This is a straight carita from Pattani.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

Lew · 3rd September 2006, 05:40 AM

Question about the pamor? It seems that there is two types of pamor on the blade. The lower half of the blade looks like a scattered rice pattern but it changes half way up the blade to a fine linear pattern?

Lew

3rd September 2006, 05:07 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The Bugis diaspora ended up in many parts of peninsula Malaysia and Sumatra, including Terengganu. Hence, it is not wrong to say that this is a Bugis or Bugis-influenced blade made in Terengganu. The Bugis blades made in Peninsula Malaysia tend to be 'finer' than most Sulawesi Bugis kerises, and 'sweeter', having absorbed the Malay sense of aesthetics. It may not be as macho, but it is more pleasing to the eyes. On Peninsula Malaysia, I see 2 major forms of kerises - the Javanese-influenced forms and the Bugis influenced-forms. The more south you go, the more predominant the Bugis-influenced forms. The more north you go, we see greater presence of Javanese-influenced forms. Apart from this common Bugis Sepokal form, there is the carita and melela forms which excel in terms of the refinedness of the dapur and perabots. Keris melela from Terengganu: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php Keris Unduk-unduk from Terengganu http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php 1st pic - Dave Henkel's keris melela 2nd and 3rd pic - Dave Henkel's keris carita Attached Images Last edited by BluErf; 3rd September 2006 at 01:17 PM. Reason: bad sentence structure

3rd September 2006, 05:19 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Another carita, again from Dave Henkel's collection. Exceptionally long and fine example. Some collectors refer to the carita in the post above as a melela. The difference between a melela and a carita is the subject of much disagreement. Most would agree that a keris with deep "double fullers", meaning double sogokan and kruwingan reaching the tip, or at least covering 3/4 of a blade, is called a melela. A carita is supposed to have shallower fullers, and in certain cases, no fullers. The confusion comes in when a keris a set of fullers that is neither shallow nor deep. Would that be a melela or carita? Attached Images

2nd September 2006, 07:27 PM	#1
Mapico1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	Hi Lew, it would have been my first keris.....unfortunately it ended in the middle of the night for me.... Danny

2nd September 2006, 07:40 PM	#2
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Lew, a true beauty!!! Congrats!!!!!

2nd September 2006, 10:52 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,043	Bugis/Peninsula/Sumatera keris are not my forte, however, may I suggest that we are looking at a Bugis blade in Terengganu dress? Note the flat faces to the blade, and the decline in the joint of gonjo to blade. I may well be incorrect, but I do not believe these are typical Trengganu blade features, whilst they are typical of classic Bugis form.

3rd September 2006, 05:20 AM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	This is a straight carita from Pattani. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

3rd September 2006, 05:40 AM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Question about the pamor? It seems that there is two types of pamor on the blade. The lower half of the blade looks like a scattered rice pattern but it changes half way up the blade to a fine linear pattern? Lew