Definitive Warfare

MABAGANI · 11th August 2006, 12:07 AM

Is there a similar pattern among keris, my first thought are stars...

Rick · 11th August 2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MABAGANI

Is there a similar pattern among keris, my first thought are stars...

This keris pamor is kind of in the ballpark; I've forgotten the name of this pamor much to my shame .

What I think we're looking at on the Moro piece are three separate twisted cores welded together as they merge past the sorsoran and run down to the tip. Then a layer welded edge has been applied to the outside of the core.

mross · 11th August 2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

This is kind of in the ballpark; I've forgotten the name of this pamor much to my shame .

What I think we're looking at on the Moro piece are three separate twisted cores welded together as they merge past the sorsoran and run down to the tip. Then a layer welded edge has been applied to the outside of the core.

This must have been quite demanding work to execute successfully.

Yes, the pattern looks like a 3 twist core, and it is very demanding to get it right. Looks like twisted cores are coming out of the woodwork. I like it. There may be one with my name on it somewhere!

Still, they seem scarce enough to be special. There are many examples of Datu class weapons that are for the most part plain blades with superior handles. So I still think there is something special about the Moro's who owned these twisted cores. Does anybody have sources that may shed some light on this? Bill, what about Dave and Lonna?

LabanTayo · 11th August 2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

This is kind of in the ballpark; I've forgotten the name of this pamor much to my shame .

Rick,
I have a Moro Kris with this same pamor in its center panel. I posted pics on the old forum of the kris. Hopefully the Indo collectors can name the pamor for us.

nechesh · 11th August 2006, 05:45 PM

Is that pamor lar gangsir?

Rick · 11th August 2006, 05:57 PM

Okay , I went through my little book Pamor Eksotik Tosan Aji; the closest picture to the pamor shown on the 'keris' seems to be a variation on Unthuk Banyu "Water Bubbles" ; here is a more traditional representation of Unthuk Banyu.

According to Tammens who calls it 'foam bubbles' .
Its qualities are positive ; it is considered rare but it is not select and can be owned by anyone .

I await correction .

Hi Dave, I see you posted while I was doing the same .

Here is Pamor Eksotik's illustration of Lar Gangsir (not too helpful)

nechesh · 11th August 2006, 06:19 PM

I hope Alan doesn't mind that i borrowed this image from his site.

An example of Lar Gangsir:

Rick · 11th August 2006, 06:45 PM

Hmmm ,
Sure looks the same as my first keris pamor .
I wonder why the Jawa book differs so much ?

Bill · 11th August 2006, 07:46 PM

Hey, George "Grumpy", I know you are lurking here. Why don't you post? Explain how the kris you own was made. By the way, I bought the brother of the one you own from a forum member.

Alam Shah · 12th August 2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Okay , I went through my little book Pamor Eksotik Tosan Aji; the closest picture to the pamor shown on the 'keris' seems to be a variation on Unthuk Banyu "Water Bubbles" ; here is a more traditional representation of Unthuk Banyu.

According to Tammens who calls it 'foam bubbles' .
Its qualities are positive ; it is considered rare but it is not select and can be owned by anyone .

I await correction .

Hi Dave, I see you posted while I was doing the same .

Here is Pamor Eksotik's illustration of Lar Gangsir (not too helpful)

Rick, yours is pamor Untuk Banyu.
(Ref: Ensiklopedi Keris, Reference section, Pg:554).

Most of the twisted core are pamor Lar Gangsir.

This pamor type have a few variations.

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Okay , I went through my little book Pamor Eksotik Tosan Aji; the closest picture to the pamor shown on the 'keris' seems to be a variation on Unthuk Banyu "Water Bubbles" ; here is a more traditional representation of Unthuk Banyu. According to Tammens who calls it 'foam bubbles' . Its qualities are positive ; it is considered rare but it is not select and can be owned by anyone . I await correction . Hi Dave, I see you posted while I was doing the same . Here is Pamor Eksotik's illustration of Lar Gangsir (not too helpful) Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 11th August 2006 at 06:06 PM. Reason: More to add

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nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I hope Alan doesn't mind that i borrowed this image from his site. An example of Lar Gangsir: Attached Images

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MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Is there a similar pattern among keris, my first thought are stars...

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nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Is that pamor lar gangsir?

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Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Hmmm , Sure looks the same as my first keris pamor . I wonder why the Jawa book differs so much ?

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Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Hey, George "Grumpy", I know you are lurking here. Why don't you post? Explain how the kris you own was made. By the way, I bought the brother of the one you own from a forum member.