Interesting old Haladie dagger

not2sharp · 9th August 2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

... The reason why the two blades are not symetrical could be due to the way they used it. A nasty weapon in a close combat.

I think of the Haladie as a left handed weapon, used in the manner of and, as an alternative to, the buckler or main gauche (although much more complicated to use then either).

Note: any thoughts on how these may have been carried or sheathed?

n2s

ps. The picture above was borrowed from this online article - I think we have found the crusader version of F-troop's Heck-are-we indians.

http://www.swordhistory.com/excerpts/crusaders.html

Jens Nordlunde · 9th August 2006, 04:13 PM

Hi n2s,

I too believe it was made for the left hand, and one trained to use such a dagger, armed with a tulwar in the right hand must have been a scary enemy.

I remember to have seen a Haladie with a scabbard for each blade – unfortunately I can’t remember where I saw it

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BTW your link does not seem to work.

Jens

not2sharp · 9th August 2006, 08:47 PM

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I remember to have seen a Haladie with a scabbard for each blade – unfortunately I can’t remember where I saw it.

Was it this one?
http://www.therionarms.com/sold/com090.html

n2s

Jens Nordlunde · 9th August 2006, 09:34 PM

No it was not this one. The one I remember was different and had a silk cord between the different scabbards.

not2sharp · 9th August 2006, 11:11 PM

I found this picture of a huge one on the internet.

n2s

Valjhun · 11th August 2006, 03:34 PM

Jens, on the haladies you attached (especially on the first one) there are a very similar two pointed blades as on my "zulfikar"
Interesting. I'm still puzzled about that form of blade, serrated and double pointed. I do not think that this feature is an islamic form.

Jens Nordlunde · 11th August 2006, 04:06 PM

N2s, I think the haladie you show on the first picture should be turned, so the ‘upper’ blade could be used for a forward stab and the ‘lower’ blade for a backward stab. What do you think?
It is a very nice haladie you found on the net

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Valjhun, it is true that the two haladies have split blades, but the one from the museum also has a round whole. I don’t know the reason for this, other than when it comes to the haladies a stab wound would not/could not be very deep, due to the split blade, but the cutting effect must have been nasty. I wonder if the serrated blades like these were not meant more for slashing than for stabbing, and the one n2s shows maybe more for stabbing – pure guessing.

9th August 2006, 04:13 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi n2s, I too believe it was made for the left hand, and one trained to use such a dagger, armed with a tulwar in the right hand must have been a scary enemy. I remember to have seen a Haladie with a scabbard for each blade – unfortunately I can’t remember where I saw it. BTW your link does not seem to work. Jens

11th August 2006, 04:06 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	N2s, I think the haladie you show on the first picture should be turned, so the ‘upper’ blade could be used for a forward stab and the ‘lower’ blade for a backward stab. What do you think? It is a very nice haladie you found on the net. Valjhun, it is true that the two haladies have split blades, but the one from the museum also has a round whole. I don’t know the reason for this, other than when it comes to the haladies a stab wound would not/could not be very deep, due to the split blade, but the cutting effect must have been nasty. I wonder if the serrated blades like these were not meant more for slashing than for stabbing, and the one n2s shows maybe more for stabbing – pure guessing.

9th August 2006, 09:34 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	No it was not this one. The one I remember was different and had a silk cord between the different scabbards.

9th August 2006, 11:11 PM	#5
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	I found this picture of a huge one on the internet. n2s

11th August 2006, 03:34 PM	#6
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Jens, on the haladies you attached (especially on the first one) there are a very similar two pointed blades as on my "zulfikar" Interesting. I'm still puzzled about that form of blade, serrated and double pointed. I do not think that this feature is an islamic form.