Filippine kris moro?

mross · 28th July 2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Thanks! Best inlay I have ever seen. Will get better pictures when it arrives. I am not planning to etch the blade. I will only oil it. Not many are untouched, I like this one that way.

Bill,
Nice sword.
Is there something significant about inlays? Such as does it signify a class the sword was made for? (I am guessing only the higher ups could afford inlays).
Can they be identified to a region or perhaps a smith? Just curious, and am trying to add to my body of knowledge. Or are inlays just a matter of personel preference?

Willie W. · 29th July 2006, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Bill,
Nice sword.
Is there something significant about inlays? Such as does it signify a class the sword was made for?

yes.

Andrew · 30th July 2006, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie W.

yes.

Welcome to the forum, Willie. Any chance you'd expand on this?

Willie W. · 1st August 2006, 05:52 PM

Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. I've been lurking here for quite sometimes but never posted. It seems that for what little knowledge about Moro sundangs were shared, the values of these would rise. There's good and bad to this; good, in that the sellers and dealers are making profit, and bad, because it creates an elite group to collect these heirlooms. With that, most collections are tucked away, giving future collectors no chance of acquiring it, or future scholars to study these magnificent weapons. Though forum such as these exist to educate the public, most informations that are given lately about these swords, are erroneous in nature, almost laughable at times (e.g., the silver hilted barung awhile back...).

I will share what I know about this twisted core, since I have seen this type appearing quite a lot recently, and at the least it would be something that future collectors can go by. But most of all, I have the blessings of my grandfather to share this knowledge. Twisted cores such as the one shown were reserved for the panglimas, and not datus. Datus were dime a dozen, but to be a panglima is something else.

VVV · 1st August 2006, 06:20 PM

Thanks for the info Willie,

Do you mind sharing your knowledge on the unusual silver hilted Barong (posted a while ago) also?

Michael

Battara · 1st August 2006, 10:31 PM

Ok, Willie, I will show my ignorance here. What is a panglima exactly and what is the difference? (yes - lots of datus in the region).

BSMStar · 2nd August 2006, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Ok, Willie, I will show my ignorance here. What is a panglima exactly and what is the difference? (yes - lots of datus in the region).

Please correct me if I am wrong... I believe the panglimas were the Datu's lieutenants or regional leaders/warriors under the Datu's command.

mross · 3rd August 2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willie W.

I will share what I know about this twisted core, since I have seen this type appearing quite a lot recently, and at the least it would be something that future collectors can go by. But most of all, I have the blessings of my grandfather to share this knowledge. Twisted cores such as the one shown were reserved for the panglimas, and not datus. Datus were dime a dozen, but to be a panglima is something else.

Perhaps I am missing something here but I thought the discussion was on inlays not twisted cores?

Bill M · 3rd August 2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mross

Perhaps I am missing something here but I thought the discussion was on inlays not twisted cores?

My wife says I have a twisted core. But she married me anyway.

Rick · 3rd August 2006, 10:14 PM

Bill, you're in rare form today .

I believe Willie was referring to the kris in another thread .

1st August 2006, 05:52 PM	#4
Willie W. Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8	Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. I've been lurking here for quite sometimes but never posted. It seems that for what little knowledge about Moro sundangs were shared, the values of these would rise. There's good and bad to this; good, in that the sellers and dealers are making profit, and bad, because it creates an elite group to collect these heirlooms. With that, most collections are tucked away, giving future collectors no chance of acquiring it, or future scholars to study these magnificent weapons. Though forum such as these exist to educate the public, most informations that are given lately about these swords, are erroneous in nature, almost laughable at times (e.g., the silver hilted barung awhile back...). I will share what I know about this twisted core, since I have seen this type appearing quite a lot recently, and at the least it would be something that future collectors can go by. But most of all, I have the blessings of my grandfather to share this knowledge. Twisted cores such as the one shown were reserved for the panglimas, and not datus. Datus were dime a dozen, but to be a panglima is something else.

1st August 2006, 06:20 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for the info Willie, Do you mind sharing your knowledge on the unusual silver hilted Barong (posted a while ago) also? Michael

1st August 2006, 10:31 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Ok, Willie, I will show my ignorance here. What is a panglima exactly and what is the difference? (yes - lots of datus in the region).

3rd August 2006, 10:14 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Bill, you're in rare form today . I believe Willie was referring to the kris in another thread .