A dha a day.

drdavid · 27th July 2006, 12:07 PM

Hi Puff and RhysMichael
I am getting a confused. Puff you say the tip may be Hua Bau or Hua LukKai, and Rhys you say Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod. The pics on the link you give Rhys look like Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod would be correct , the Dha research site calls similar tips spatulate or spear tip (also translated as Hua Bau). To me spatulate looks too rounded and spear tip possibly too pointed. So could someone clear up Hua Bau, Hua LukKai and Hau Pla Lod for me (just a little)
cheers
DrD

Mark · 27th July 2006, 01:26 PM

Hua bua actually is not synonymous with "spatulate" as I use the latter term. Hua bua has a very small upturned blip at the tip. You need to look closely at the photo on my glossary page & looking at the shadows helps spot it.

"Spatulate," as I use the term, refers to a tip that is completely rounded. The problem is that a hua bua tip can lose the blip trhough wear and/or sharpening. It could well be that what I distinguish as spatulate is actually a worn-down hua bua.

Hua lu guy (lukkai) refers to the tip which has a down-turned back edge, giving the effect of an up-side-down blade (the downward sweep of the back edge is greater than the upward sweep of the keen edge).

And now I'm forgetting what hua pla lod is.

From the context its spatulate.

PUFF · 27th July 2006, 04:13 PM

PlaLod is a kind of fish, Mastacembelus sp.
These are example of Dahb Hua PlaLod...

The upper one is older, Ayuthaya period. And the lower one is Rattanakosin, evolved in some degree. Hua PlaLod described a spatulate tip with the point 's not exactly at the middle (asymetrical tip curvature). And in most case, the point 's not very pointy.

This one is an example of Dahb Hua LukKai, Rattanakosin period.

It 's basicaly spatulate, big round tip with a little triangular beak, looks similar to Hua LukKai (chicken 's head). The little triangular tip could be slightly to the top, to the bottom or exactly at the middle.

We named this one as Hua Toh, just different from CoZun 's page.

And this is Bua (lotus). Dahb Hua Bua means lotus tip, which means spatulate tip with a big triangular pointy tip at the very middle of the tip curve.

RhysMichael · 27th July 2006, 04:26 PM

A great description
Thanks again Puff

Andrew · 27th July 2006, 07:42 PM

Puff, you are the man! Thank you again for sharing your knowlege with us.

As most of us know, simply speaking the language is not usually enough to be of much help if the speaker isn't a collector or student of arms/armour. My Thai friends all look at me with puzzlement when I ask the questions you've so generously answered.

If you ever find yourself in Florida, USA, please let me know.

drdavid · 28th July 2006, 08:27 AM

Thanks everyone for your help with this. Puff, great explanation, a picture is certainly worth a thousand words in this case (and you know your fish). Unfortunately I could not get the link to Thai blades to work, it asks for a log in, so will need to get registered and so on. Should I assume that these names really only apply to Thai dahb? I will certainly measure up the tang thickness when this arrives and ask more questions.
DrD

PUFF · 28th July 2006, 10:09 AM

http://thaiblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1854 requires to be a member. I would suggest you to be a member. The thread contains many worthy pictures

RhysMichael · 27th July 2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drdavid

Hi Puff and RhysMichael
I am getting a confused. Puff you say the tip may be Hua Bau or Hua LukKai, and Rhys you say Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod. The pics on the link you give Rhys look like Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod would be correct , the Dha research site calls similar tips spatulate or spear tip (also translated as Hua Bau). To me spatulate looks too rounded and spear tip possibly too pointed. So could someone clear up Hua Bau, Hua LukKai and Hau Pla Lod for me (just a little)
cheers
DrD

Puff is the "man on the ground" so to speak. Anything I add in is filtered by language differences ( if you take away a couple of dha terms I know zero Thai ) and thousands of miles. One of the frustrating yet fascinating things about these swords is how little is printed in english on them . Also we find there are often many terms used by different groups that to us seem conflicting. So I would defer to Puff to know better which is correct.

27th July 2006, 12:07 PM	#1
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Now I'm confused Hi Puff and RhysMichael I am getting a confused. Puff you say the tip may be Hua Bau or Hua LukKai, and Rhys you say Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod. The pics on the link you give Rhys look like Hua Bau or Hua Pla Lod would be correct , the Dha research site calls similar tips spatulate or spear tip (also translated as Hua Bau). To me spatulate looks too rounded and spear tip possibly too pointed. So could someone clear up Hua Bau, Hua LukKai and Hau Pla Lod for me (just a little) cheers DrD

28th July 2006, 08:27 AM	#6
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Thank you Thanks everyone for your help with this. Puff, great explanation, a picture is certainly worth a thousand words in this case (and you know your fish). Unfortunately I could not get the link to Thai blades to work, it asks for a log in, so will need to get registered and so on. Should I assume that these names really only apply to Thai dahb? I will certainly measure up the tang thickness when this arrives and ask more questions. DrD

27th July 2006, 01:26 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Hua bua actually is not synonymous with "spatulate" as I use the latter term. Hua bua has a very small upturned blip at the tip. You need to look closely at the photo on my glossary page & looking at the shadows helps spot it. "Spatulate," as I use the term, refers to a tip that is completely rounded. The problem is that a hua bua tip can lose the blip trhough wear and/or sharpening. It could well be that what I distinguish as spatulate is actually a worn-down hua bua. Hua lu guy (lukkai) refers to the tip which has a down-turned back edge, giving the effect of an up-side-down blade (the downward sweep of the back edge is greater than the upward sweep of the keen edge). And now I'm forgetting what hua pla lod is. From the context its spatulate.

27th July 2006, 04:13 PM	#3
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	PlaLod is a kind of fish, Mastacembelus sp. These are example of Dahb Hua PlaLod... The upper one is older, Ayuthaya period. And the lower one is Rattanakosin, evolved in some degree. Hua PlaLod described a spatulate tip with the point 's not exactly at the middle (asymetrical tip curvature). And in most case, the point 's not very pointy. This one is an example of Dahb Hua LukKai, Rattanakosin period. It 's basicaly spatulate, big round tip with a little triangular beak, looks similar to Hua LukKai (chicken 's head). The little triangular tip could be slightly to the top, to the bottom or exactly at the middle. We named this one as Hua Toh, just different from CoZun 's page. And this is Bua (lotus). Dahb Hua Bua means lotus tip, which means spatulate tip with a big triangular pointy tip at the very middle of the tip curve.

27th July 2006, 04:26 PM	#4
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	A great description Thanks again Puff

27th July 2006, 07:42 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Puff, you are the man! Thank you again for sharing your knowlege with us. As most of us know, simply speaking the language is not usually enough to be of much help if the speaker isn't a collector or student of arms/armour. My Thai friends all look at me with puzzlement when I ask the questions you've so generously answered. If you ever find yourself in Florida, USA, please let me know.

28th July 2006, 10:09 AM	#7
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	http://thaiblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1854 requires to be a member. I would suggest you to be a member. The thread contains many worthy pictures