Madura Keris?

Sajen · 26th October 2025, 05:34 PM

Hi Martin,

Jep, the sarung is Madurese. But like you I can't name it exactly.
Pics of my example attached.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 26th October 2025, 05:45 PM

All three I've have/had (one I sold) and one from Alan G. Maisey.

A. G. Maisey · 26th October 2025, 10:10 PM

Yes, Madura, dress is a sandang walikat style.

It is possible that in Madura, sandang walikat might be known by a different name, but if it is, I do not know that name.

Pendita65 · 27th October 2025, 12:26 AM

Thank you both so much, for the information. and i was also wondering the hilt /hulu when you hold it straight up the wilah is really under an angle, that is different than most of the keris i have.

Maybe a stupid question but has it a name? And if i am right it has 9 luk?

Regards, Martin

Sajen · 27th October 2025, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendita65

And if i am right it has 9 luk?

Jep, I count 9 luk.

A. G. Maisey · 27th October 2025, 01:37 PM

Did you mean a dhapur name?

The dhapur names that are generally known come from a pakem, or guide-book that was produced as a reference to dhapurs as they were known in Surakarta.

It is really only accurate for Surakarta, but we do tend to use those names for all of Jawa.

This keris is from Madura, & it possibly has --- or had --- a unique Madura name, which might still be known by some people in Madura, but which I do not know.

Then we have another problem with the eroded condition of this keris. Determination of a dhapur depends upon the presence or absence of specific characteristics, & this keris is so badly eroded that we cannot be sure exactly what characteristics were present when it was new.

However, we are all free to name a keris which is in our care with its own name.

Pendita65 · 27th October 2025, 09:37 PM

Thank you Mr. Maisey and Detlef,

yes i was curious what the dhapur would be, but most of the time the wilah is more in line with the hulu or ukiran. and this keris the wilah goes with a bevel arround 50 degrees.

So i was curious if this has a name in determinating a Keris.

Regards, Martin

26th October 2025, 05:34 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,475	Hi Martin, Jep, the sarung is Madurese. But like you I can't name it exactly. Pics of my example attached. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

26th October 2025, 05:45 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,475	All three I've have/had (one I sold) and one from Alan G. Maisey. Attached Images

26th October 2025, 10:10 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	Yes, Madura, dress is a sandang walikat style. It is possible that in Madura, sandang walikat might be known by a different name, but if it is, I do not know that name.

27th October 2025, 12:26 AM	#4
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 141	Thank you both so much, for the information. and i was also wondering the hilt /hulu when you hold it straight up the wilah is really under an angle, that is different than most of the keris i have. Maybe a stupid question but has it a name? And if i am right it has 9 luk? Regards, Martin

27th October 2025, 01:37 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	Did you mean a dhapur name? The dhapur names that are generally known come from a pakem, or guide-book that was produced as a reference to dhapurs as they were known in Surakarta. It is really only accurate for Surakarta, but we do tend to use those names for all of Jawa. This keris is from Madura, & it possibly has --- or had --- a unique Madura name, which might still be known by some people in Madura, but which I do not know. Then we have another problem with the eroded condition of this keris. Determination of a dhapur depends upon the presence or absence of specific characteristics, & this keris is so badly eroded that we cannot be sure exactly what characteristics were present when it was new. However, we are all free to name a keris which is in our care with its own name.

27th October 2025, 09:37 PM	#7
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 141	Thank you Mr. Maisey and Detlef, yes i was curious what the dhapur would be, but most of the time the wilah is more in line with the hulu or ukiran. and this keris the wilah goes with a bevel arround 50 degrees. So i was curious if this has a name in determinating a Keris. Regards, Martin