Portuguese cavalry troopers sabre.

[Radboud]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

There must be more than one McNumpty around .

This I can confirm as a verified fact.

But seriously Tim, all these examples show is that they weren't overly concerned with even grinds and the swords were made to a budget (big surprise there for trooper swords).

This isn't evidence of hand forgeing, what I'm seeing in the photos is uneven grinds which are all done by hand as both of us noted earlier.

And to be honest, I've seen (own) older blades with better/cleaner grinds than these.

But knock yourself out, believe what you want to believe.

[midelburgo]

Ballesteros was a private enterprise and had nothing to do with the Fabrica de Toledo, only the same location.

They made a couple of models for Portuguese army and for some Spanish local police.

[Tim Simmons]

Ballesteros were a private frim, however King Charles the 111 brought all manufacturing under the Royal Arms so Ballesteros were under contract. The Royal Sword Factory of Toledo in 1761.

[midelburgo]

Since 1820 it was allowed that other cutlers could make and comercialize swords outside of the oficial centers.

For example, Ibarzabal could sell complete swords from that year, made in Eibar. Some of his pieces are marked Fabrica de Eibar in the 1870s.

The swords from Ballesteros are from around 1890.

[Tim Simmons]

Thank you.

[Tim Simmons]

I do not know how realvant this is ? seem to be going round in circles. No mention of 1820 changes?

https://www.angelfire.com/wa/swordcollector/toledo.html

Is AI all we can take as knowledge??

AI Overview

Based on auction and collector records, Ballesteros was a prominent private arms manufacturer in 19th-century Toledo that operated alongside the much larger national-level Royal Arms Factory. The Ballesteros company specialized in high-quality military swords, like cavalry sabers, as indicated by existing collectors' items.
Ballesteros as a private maker
Unlike the Royal Arms Factory (Real Fábrica de Armas), which was a state-run enterprise, Ballesteros was a private manufacturer.
Auction listings and collectors' discussions identify specific 19th-century Spanish military swords, such as cavalry sabers, that are marked with "Armas Toledo Ballesteros".
Ballesteros operated within Toledo's tradition of master swordsmiths, producing weaponry for both military and civilian use, and his work is highly regarded by collectors.
The larger context of 19th-century Toledo sword production
The Ballesteros factory was part of a broader sword-making tradition in Toledo that underwent significant changes in the 19th century.
Royal Factory dominance: King Charles III established the Royal Sword Factory in 1761 to preserve Toledo's legendary sword-making heritage. By the 19th century, this factory was the main center of production, bringing together master smiths and modernizing the process.
Expansion and mechanization: Production at the Royal Factory expanded in the 19th century to include military swords, sabers, and bayonets. By 1868, new machine tools powered by the Tagus River significantly boosted production, though traditional forging methods continued for a time.
Private craftsmen vs. mass production: While the state factory standardized and industrialized the process, private artisans like Ballesteros continued to operate. Ballesteros swords demonstrate that high-quality, custom work existed alongside the mass-produced weapons of the Royal Factory.
Market changes: As firearms replaced swords as the primary military weapon, factories like Ballesteros and the Royal Factory adapted by producing both military blades and collectible pieces.

[Tim Simmons]

very different finish to the blade on this examples to all the others I have added to this thread.

https://auctionet.com/en/2760914-por...images#image_0

So sorry if I am boring the hind legs of a donkey.