Wahabite dagger ? or janbiyya?

gp · 1st July 2025, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

... there is an illustration (I have not yet relocated) with him wearing one of these.

there are plural editions of the book describing this voyage and all have different pictures in them; some fotos and some drawings...
as for the description "Wahabite daggers" , I think that as nonsensical as their doesn't exists in a similar way catholic, orthodox, protestant, sunni or sjia weapons.
Whahabites was / is a movement named not by the Arabs but Western world after its founder (Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhāb ibn Sulaymān al-Tamīm) who came from the Najd and was member of the Banu Tamim tribe
But that doesn't answer which kind of dagger Sir Richard had...sorry that I am not able to assist any further....it al depends which tribal identity Sir Richard took/ copied...

Jim McDougall · 1st July 2025, 03:30 AM

Great analogy GP!!! the Wahabite term for a dagger form does seem fanciful at best, rather as well illustrated by the 'orientalist' notions of the colonial periods labeling and categorizing everything by popular and romanticized images.

Still wonder what term these might actually be known by.

Burton was brilliant in languages and mannerisms, and contrived an identity as Sufi, as this would not be defined specifically, and claimed a diverse background to explain any imperfections in his character.

Marc M. · 1st July 2025, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Great analogy GP!!! the Wahabite term for a dagger form does seem fanciful at best, rather as well illustrated by the 'orientalist' notions of the colonial periods labeling and categorizing everything by popular and romanticized images.

Still wonder what term these might actually be known by.

Burton was brilliant in languages and mannerisms, and contrived an identity as Sufi, as this would not be defined specifically, and claimed a diverse background to explain any imperfections in his character.

I thought this type of weapon is called dharia.

Regards Marc

Jim McDougall · 1st July 2025, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc M.

I thought this type of weapon is called dharia.

Regards Marc

Thanks Marc, thats what Im looking for..proper term...obviously the WAHABITE appellation is admittedly nonsensical in that it certainly was not exclusive only to these groups.
I had heard 'sabaki' somewhere but cannot place it.
Again, likely a dialectic term.

gp · 3rd July 2025, 07:42 PM

just for convenience sake disregarding the "western" Wahabite name-giving,
I found some more info in order to oblige our dear friend Jim

who started this most interesting topic !

Info from one internet site:

"Sabiki is the Yemeni term for a large sword-like variety of the jambiya, the Arab dagger. They are also known as Wahhabite jambiya named after the Wahhabi fundamentalists who were known to wear them. The sabiki is mostly associated with the Asir and Jizan region in the southwest of the Arabian peninsula but was in wider circulation."

Jim McDougall · 3rd July 2025, 08:43 PM

GP! BRILLIANT!!! Thank you so much my friend

very much obliged, just the description I needed.

gp · 3rd July 2025, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

GP! BRILLIANT!!! Thank you so much my friend

very much obliged, just the description I needed.

Happy to be of service, Sir !

Jim McDougall · 1st July 2025, 03:42 AM

Great analogy GP!!! the Wahabite term for a dagger form does seem fanciful at best, rather as well illustrated by the 'orientalist' notions of the colonial periods labeling and categorizing everything by popular and romanticized images.

Still wonder what term these might actually be known by.

Burton was brilliant in languages and mannerisms, and contrived an identity as Sufi, as this would not be defined specifically, and claimed a diverse background to explain any imperfections in his character.

3rd July 2025, 07:42 PM	#5
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 845	just for convenience sake disregarding the "western" Wahabite name-giving, I found some more info in order to oblige our dear friend Jim who started this most interesting topic ! Info from one internet site: "Sabiki is the Yemeni term for a large sword-like variety of the jambiya, the Arab dagger. They are also known as Wahhabite jambiya named after the Wahhabi fundamentalists who were known to wear them. The sabiki is mostly associated with the Asir and Jizan region in the southwest of the Arabian peninsula but was in wider circulation." Attached Images

1st July 2025, 03:30 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,536	Great analogy GP!!! the Wahabite term for a dagger form does seem fanciful at best, rather as well illustrated by the 'orientalist' notions of the colonial periods labeling and categorizing everything by popular and romanticized images. Still wonder what term these might actually be known by. Burton was brilliant in languages and mannerisms, and contrived an identity as Sufi, as this would not be defined specifically, and claimed a diverse background to explain any imperfections in his character.

3rd July 2025, 08:43 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,536	GP! BRILLIANT!!! Thank you so much my friend very much obliged, just the description I needed.

1st July 2025, 03:42 AM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,536	Great analogy GP!!! the Wahabite term for a dagger form does seem fanciful at best, rather as well illustrated by the 'orientalist' notions of the colonial periods labeling and categorizing everything by popular and romanticized images. Still wonder what term these might actually be known by. Burton was brilliant in languages and mannerisms, and contrived an identity as Sufi, as this would not be defined specifically, and claimed a diverse background to explain any imperfections in his character.