French colichemarde

[urbanspaceman]

Here we are with yet another question regarding colichemardes:
is anyone aware of a French hilted hollow-ground colichemarde smallsword.
Easy question.

[Radboud]

Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Here we are with yet another question regarding colichemardes:
is anyone aware of a French hilted hollow-ground colichemarde smallsword.
Easy question.

Yes, I have one. An early model 1767 officers sword.

[urbanspaceman]

Thank-you for that. Could you determine if the lower face is a hollow of gradually decreasing radius or a constant width groove please. I can't make it out from the photo.
ps
do you know where it came from (where did you acquire it, I mean)?
pps
1767 is the heyday for these swords over here.

[urbanspaceman]

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but is this not the French infantry officer's sword Regulation 25th April 1767:

ps
A superb sword

[Radboud]

From what I’ve read the m1767 regulation hilt was silver or silver plated. They can also be identified by the faux turks head knots on the grip. It’s quite common to see them now in their base metal (a copper alloy) with the plating worn away.

My sword came from a dealer in the UK, who in turn acquired it from Matt Easton.

[Radboud]

do these photos help?

[urbanspaceman]

This is a machine rolled fuller.

Actually, the word fuller was originally the name of the tool used to hammer in the hollow. Anyway, a steel roller under huge pressure bore down on hot stock wedged into a mold cut into the anvil top producing the two upper hollows (same way as they made estocs, then later on Brown Bess triangular bayonets.
Sorry, I am editing here as it is confusing, the upper pair of hollows (with a medial ridge) are on the bottom of the hot stock. They are known as the top of the blade, even though they are below in the en guard position... I think.
It was how they could produce a hollowed smallsword blade in a single pass, as a reducing radius hollow was impossible.
As far as I am aware - hence my question regarding colichemardes - all colichemardes have the groove, a product of the machine which was chased out of Solingen due to the guild's Luddite viewpoint.
The Mohll family owned it and brought it to Shotley Bridge to produce hollow blades at a reasonable price as there were tariffs and heavy taxes on German imports.
The conclusion I recently reached was that the French would not be buying from Shotley Bridge, hence my search for French hilted colichemardes. Even George Washington's colichemardes had to come from England.
All of the dealers and collectors I have consulted agree that there are none but it is not totally impossible.
Does your sword have a groove? Also, why do you think the hilt is French?

[Radboud]

Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Does your sword have a groove? Also, why do you think the hilt is French?

Yes, there is a groove on the underside of the blade that terminates about where the blade begins to broaden out.

My sources for why my sword is a m1767 are other collectors and Michel Petard ‘Des Sabres et Des Epees’ Volume 3 pg 67.

[Radboud]

and Jean L’Host ‘Les Epees Porters en France des Origines a nostalgic Jours’ Pg 187 & 188