1796 LCS - Early Woolley Blade with Later WDD Scabbard?

Hotspur · 25th April 2025, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Good note Glen!
As this is an eagle head, and Im deferring to you as you know these better than anyone else, would these be an American example using British (obviously) blade? If I recall Gill and Osborn used specific blade marks for blades to America but not aware of Wooley (this in Mowbray, not handy at moment).

I don't know who furbished that sabre. I can only place it in time by the style and Mowbray likes these backstrap examples as post 1818, but we have the 'absolute' of those wd&c marks as from 1803-1806. That's a pretty narrow window. That blade is cast steel but there is no mark indicating that.

I know nothing of trade blades being specifically marked as such. There is a Thillman note about a particular French Fourbisshier and ACW officers swords but there is nothing I've read on 18th or early century swords. I can though spot surplus Napoleonic era blades in use as late as the 1850s.

Cheers
GC

Hotspur · 25th April 2025, 04:32 PM

I was going back through some shared pictures from 2004. The pages were written by a Philip Lankester, Weapons Department, Royal Armouries 2004

In those brief pages, he describes the Woolley/Deakin association and the business agreement that Deakin's partnership was to continue with Wooley's estate. The first ordnance order was for hangers in 1797, albeit we know Wooley on his own predates that and Deakin starts with him in 1790.

I swore not to share the four pages and it does not define the timeline of the sword presented here.

From Langham's and Oldswords

Cheers
GC

efrahjalt · 16th July 2025, 05:02 PM

Gents, Sorry for the late response on this. Got sidetracked with some life changes. This Wooley, Deakin, Dutton dating information is excellent and is certainly the best that I have seen while digging through what was available to me. Nice to see that things generally seem to line up with some of my initial thoughts. I haven't found any additional markings or unique details on the blade/scabbard so I think I'm at the end of what I can dig up on this blade. Thank you all for the great information and help.

25th April 2025, 04:32 PM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 519	I was going back through some shared pictures from 2004. The pages were written by a Philip Lankester, Weapons Department, Royal Armouries 2004 In those brief pages, he describes the Woolley/Deakin association and the business agreement that Deakin's partnership was to continue with Wooley's estate. The first ordnance order was for hangers in 1797, albeit we know Wooley on his own predates that and Deakin starts with him in 1790. I swore not to share the four pages and it does not define the timeline of the sword presented here. From Langham's and Oldswords Cheers GC Attached Images

16th July 2025, 05:02 PM	#3
efrahjalt Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 61	Gents, Sorry for the late response on this. Got sidetracked with some life changes. This Wooley, Deakin, Dutton dating information is excellent and is certainly the best that I have seen while digging through what was available to me. Nice to see that things generally seem to line up with some of my initial thoughts. I haven't found any additional markings or unique details on the blade/scabbard so I think I'm at the end of what I can dig up on this blade. Thank you all for the great information and help.