Spanish Dagger comments please

not2sharp · 20th July 2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Chris,
As far as I can tell it is good steel. It has a nice sharp edge. However, I think Julio himself questioned the date. I can certainly believe that the stampings were added later to try to create a history for the piece. Anyway, when I get back to the states I will show it to my blacksmith friend and let you know what he says.
Marcus

Marcus,

There is a real one for sale at

Tienda:
Av. Paluzie, 12
17800 Olot (Girona) SPAIN
Tel.: (+34) 972 26 13 58

It is on their website here:
http://www.infobase.net/sala/index3.html

If you are still in the neighborhood; stop by and they will be able to help you identify your knife.

n2s

Marcus · 20th July 2006, 10:28 PM

That is a really beautiful piece. However, what I bought is also pretty nice for only 85 euros (10% the price). In any case, it was certainly the nicest affordable piece I saw in Toledo. I only buy big ticket items when I can really afford the train fare.
Marcus

Chris Evans · 21st July 2006, 02:38 AM

Hi Not2sharp,

Quote:

Originally Posted by not2sharp

Marcus,

There is a real one for sale at

Tienda:
Av. Paluzie, 12
17800 Olot (Girona) SPAIN
Tel.: (+34) 972 26 13 58

It is on their website here:
http://www.infobase.net/sala/index3.html

If you are still in the neighborhood; stop by and they will be able to help you identify your knife.

n2s

I just would like to give them an endorsement - They are a real nice outfit. I had dealings with them over the years. Their prices are very reasonable and the description of the goods accurate. What is more, the owner speaks and writes English fluently. Now if I could only afford one of those magnificent rapiers......

Cheers
Chris

carlos · 22nd July 2006, 10:21 AM

I THINK IS A MODERN DAGGER, I HAVE ONE LIKE THIS, BUT WITHOUT MARKS, IT´S THE SAME. AND THE PRICE IS TOO LOW , IN TOLEDO AN AUTENTIC ALBACETE DAGGER COST MORE OF 300 EUROS. IT´S ONLY MY OPINION.
THANKS
CARLOS

Marcus · 23rd July 2006, 07:58 AM

Does anyone know what the purpose was for the cut-outs in the blades of these daggers?
Marcus

not2sharp · 23rd July 2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus

Does anyone know what the purpose was for the cut-outs in the blades of these daggers?
Marcus

The shifty eyed ones will suggest that the cutout would be coated with poison, or used to inject air (promote gangerine) into the wound, or perhaps there to ease the extraction of the knife. None of which make much sense since someone locked into that level of combat would very much like to see his opponent die immediately rather then within hours, days, or weeks from some desease or toxin. Most likely they were 1) a decorative device, and 2) used by the bladesmith to ease the manufacture of the knife. The cutouts do not appear on all Abacete daggers.

n2s

Marcus · 23rd July 2006, 07:19 PM

I got to the military museum in Barcelona today (after all the Picasso exhibits earlier this week, it was my wife's turn to be patient). Here are pictures of similar weapons from their collection. Most have the cut out. One has a metal (brass?) insert in the cut out.
Marcus

not2sharp · 24th July 2006, 06:23 AM

The metal insert would have been a "bodkin" used as a crossbar to limit blade penetration.

Notice the sword all the way on the right (yes, all three shown in illustration are specialized hunting swords):

This was particularly useful when you wanted to be able to control dangerous game; to keep them at a distance rather then having them ride up the blade to within striking range. It doesn't make much sense on a knife; although, these daggers evolved from the hunting plug bayonet, so it may have been a stylistic element retained from the earlier form.

n2s

20th July 2006, 10:28 PM	#2
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	what fits in the suitcase (and budget) That is a really beautiful piece. However, what I bought is also pretty nice for only 85 euros (10% the price). In any case, it was certainly the nicest affordable piece I saw in Toledo. I only buy big ticket items when I can really afford the train fare. Marcus

22nd July 2006, 10:21 AM	#4
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	ALBACETE DAGGER I THINK IS A MODERN DAGGER, I HAVE ONE LIKE THIS, BUT WITHOUT MARKS, IT´S THE SAME. AND THE PRICE IS TOO LOW , IN TOLEDO AN AUTENTIC ALBACETE DAGGER COST MORE OF 300 EUROS. IT´S ONLY MY OPINION. THANKS CARLOS Attached Images

23rd July 2006, 07:58 AM	#5
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	The cut outs Does anyone know what the purpose was for the cut-outs in the blades of these daggers? Marcus

23rd July 2006, 07:19 PM	#7
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Barcelona collection I got to the military museum in Barcelona today (after all the Picasso exhibits earlier this week, it was my wife's turn to be patient). Here are pictures of similar weapons from their collection. Most have the cut out. One has a metal (brass?) insert in the cut out. Marcus Attached Images

24th July 2006, 06:23 AM	#8
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	The metal insert would have been a "bodkin" used as a crossbar to limit blade penetration. Notice the sword all the way on the right (yes, all three shown in illustration are specialized hunting swords): This was particularly useful when you wanted to be able to control dangerous game; to keep them at a distance rather then having them ride up the blade to within striking range. It doesn't make much sense on a knife; although, these daggers evolved from the hunting plug bayonet, so it may have been a stylistic element retained from the earlier form. n2s