keris for comment

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montino Bourbon

As I have said before, if I like it and I hold it in my hand, it's got plenty of chi; but I would refer you to an article called

What Makes a Weapon "Magickal"?
A Cross-Cultural Survey of Empowering Characteristics
Ruel A. Macaraeg

As for imbuing a weapon with mystical elements, it can be done even on new pieces. There are 'chants', 'mantras', prayer rituals...etc, to enpower the a piece for a specific role. It could be achieved.
But I won't go further, as I'm not a learned person in this field.

There are a few good keris references books which i found helpful.
1.) Ensiklopedi Keris (Keris Encyclopedia)
- Auth: Bambang Harsrinuksmo, Pub: Jakarta : Gramedia Pustaka Utama, 2004.
- Format: Hardcover, 630 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 29 cm.
- ***** A must have primer reference. In Bahasa Indonesia.

2.) The World of the Javanese Keris
http://www.eriksedge.com/TheWorldoftheJavaneseKeris.html
- Auth: G. & B.Solyom, Pub: East West Centre Pub., Honolulu 1978
- ISBN 0-9620340-0-2
- ***** A must have primer.

3.) The Kris: Mystic Weapon of the Malay World,
- Auth: Edward Frey, Pub: Oxford University Press, Oxford 1989 (2nd Edition)
- ISBN 0-19-588906-1
- ***** Another very good primer with lots of good info but lack illustration.

4.) The Kris: an earthly approach to a cosmic symbol
- Auth: David van Duuren.
- Format: Hardcover, 95 pages, Published: 1998, Netherlands, 1st Edition
- ISBN: 907318732X
- ***** Another good primer with good color photos.
About This Book
Scholarly account of the kris - its distribution, history, function and
production. The significance of the design and motifs on the blade, hilt and
sheath and the regional variations are all described with the aid of illustrations from the Royal Tropical Institute Collection, Amsterdam.
- - -
There are other books, too. For a beginner like me, these books helps to build foundational knowledge regarding keris.

Andrew · 31st January 2005, 04:23 PM

Great post, Prime. Thank you for providing those titles.

Rick · 31st January 2005, 04:25 PM

Prime,
I see that you have left out Tammens works .
Is there a reason for this ?

I have found them to be quite helpful .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 04:41 PM

Rick,
I've heard of Tammens's work, but have not acquired any of his books.
Difficult to find.

- De Kris: Magic Relic of Old Indonesia, Vol. I, II, & III,
- G.J.F.J. Tammens
- Privé uitgave van G.J.F.J.Tammens
- Eelderwolde I: 1991, II: 1993, III: 1994
- ISBN 90-9004342-X, 90-9006237-8, 90-802185-1-0

If you know where I can get these books, I'll appreciate it.

Rick · 31st January 2005, 05:42 PM

Have you tried this Seller .
I got all 3 of my volumes from them .
http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/

Also another helpful book is :

KRISSES
A Critical Bibliography

by David van Duuren
isbn: 90 73 187 42 7

A handy guide to available writings on the keris with comments .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:11 PM

Yes, Rick...I getting this. Currently awaiting for delivery. The book I listed are the ones that I have.

Krisses: a critical bibliography
- Auth: David van Duuren, Pub: 2002, Netherlands ISBN: 9073187427
- Format: Hardcover, 192 pages
- ***1/2 Van Duuren catalogs and reviews most of the known writings on the keris.

About This Book
The kris -- an object of fascination for many travellers and researchers through the
centuries -- became the object of serious study with the publication in 1817 of Sir
Stamford Raffles' historic two-volume work, The History of Java. This bibliography,
the first of its kind ever, compiles and analyses the important 19th and 20th century
publications about the krisses of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Accompanied
by several colour plates, this work is the seminal research tool for collectors and
connoisseurs of this Southeast Asian weapon.

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Have you tried this Seller .
I got all 3 of my volumes from them .
http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/

Excellent link. Will add new acquisition to my keris books, soon. Thank you, Rick.

Rick · 31st January 2005, 11:29 PM

I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime .
I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime .
I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thanks, anyway for searching.

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 11:33 PM

Other books that I have on keris.

Keris,- Auth: Drs Hamzuri, Pub: Penerbit Djambatan, Jakarta 1993 (1984)
- ISBN 979-428-1190
- ** Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces.

Keris and other weapons of Indonesia,
- Auth: Moebirman, Pub: Yayasan Pelita Wisata, Jakarta, [1973, c1970]
- ** Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces.

Kris Gli Invincibili- The Invincible Krises,
- Auth: Vanna en Mario Ghiringhelli, Pub: BE-MA, Milano 1991
- ISBN 88-7143-111-1
- **** A beautifully illustrated little book with some of the best photographs
- of keris i have seen. Unfortunately, it's a tiny-sized volume (about 4 1/2 X 5 1/2). A good visual tour on keris with not much text.

Listed below is a book not directly related to keris, but have references to its use in Malay Magic, mysticism.

Malay Magic: an introduction to the folklore and popular religion of the Malay peninsula,
- Walter W. Skeat

Note: Still looking for this book. Anyone can help?

31st January 2005, 11:11 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Yes, Rick...I getting this. Currently awaiting for delivery. The book I listed are the ones that I have. Krisses: a critical bibliography - Auth: David van Duuren, Pub: 2002, Netherlands ISBN: 9073187427 - Format: Hardcover, 192 pages - *1/2 Van Duuren catalogs and reviews most of the known writings on the keris. About This Book** The kris -- an object of fascination for many travellers and researchers through the centuries -- became the object of serious study with the publication in 1817 of Sir Stamford Raffles' historic two-volume work, The History of Java. This bibliography, the first of its kind ever, compiles and analyses the important 19th and 20th century publications about the krisses of Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Accompanied by several colour plates, this work is the seminal research tool for collectors and connoisseurs of this Southeast Asian weapon. Last edited by prime; 31st January 2005 at 11:37 PM.

31st January 2005, 11:33 PM	#10
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Other books that I have on keris. Keris,- Auth: Drs Hamzuri, Pub: Penerbit Djambatan, Jakarta 1993 (1984) - ISBN 979-428-1190 - Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces. Keris and other weapons of Indonesia, - Auth: Moebirman, Pub: Yayasan Pelita Wisata, Jakarta, [1973, c1970] - Basic information on kerises, mainly javanese pieces. Kris Gli Invincibili- The Invincible Krises, - Auth: Vanna en Mario Ghiringhelli, Pub: BE-MA, Milano 1991 - ISBN 88-7143-111-1 - ** A beautifully illustrated little book with some of the best photographs - of keris i have seen. Unfortunately, it's a tiny-sized volume (about 4 1/2 X 5 1/2). A good visual tour on keris with not much text. Listed below is a book not directly related to keris, but have references to its use in Malay Magic, mysticism. Malay Magic: an introduction to the folklore and popular religion of the Malay peninsula*, - Walter W. Skeat Note: Still looking for this book. Anyone can help? Last edited by prime; 1st February 2005 at 02:56 PM.*

31st January 2005, 04:23 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Great post, Prime. Thank you for providing those titles.

31st January 2005, 04:25 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Prime, I see that you have left out Tammens works . Is there a reason for this ? I have found them to be quite helpful .

31st January 2005, 04:41 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Rick, I've heard of Tammens's work, but have not acquired any of his books. Difficult to find. - De Kris: Magic Relic of Old Indonesia, Vol. I, II, & III, - G.J.F.J. Tammens - Privé uitgave van G.J.F.J.Tammens - Eelderwolde I: 1991, II: 1993, III: 1994 - ISBN 90-9004342-X, 90-9006237-8, 90-802185-1-0 If you know where I can get these books, I'll appreciate it.

31st January 2005, 05:42 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Have you tried this Seller . I got all 3 of my volumes from them . http://www.ethnographicartbooks.com/ Also another helpful book is : KRISSES A Critical Bibliography by David van Duuren isbn: 90 73 187 42 7 A handy guide to available writings on the keris with comments .

31st January 2005, 11:29 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I'm sorry they didn't have Tammens Prime . I searched every bookseller I know and Tammens trilogy seems to have dropped totally out of sight .