ID on this dagger

[Sajen]

I stumbled upon this old thread, I strongly guess that these daggers are Cylonese.

These knives/daggers are Celoyonese mahout's daggers. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan

[RobT]

Hi All,

I have a good number of Philippine Bowies but nary a one with a fuller so I don’t think that thinreadline’s blade is a repurposed Philippine Bowie. The ricasso is also not something I have ever seen on a Philippine Bowie. In addition, the hilt ferrule looks like something from Nepal or Afghanistan. I can’t recall ever having seen something like it on a Philippine knife or sword. The X (for ten) and the IV (for four) could be Roman numerals but, AFAIK, there is no plus sign (or cross) Roman numeral. It’s a pretty interesting piece. The blade would serve well on a boning knife.

Sincerely,
RobT

[Sajen]

Compare!

[carlos]

I have one similar with sheath....

[RobT]

Sajen,
When comparing the OP hilt, ferrule, and ricasso to the examples you have submitted, I see similarity but not sameness. In addition, the OP blade with its slightly upswept tip differs markedly from the clip points on the other three blades. Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe the OP knife and the other three are from the same culture? Where do the top two examples you show come from? The blades look Philippine. Do they have integral bolsters? I ask this because, on further viewing, it would appear that what I initially thought was a ferrule on the OP blade is actually an integral blade bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline will clarify.

Carlos,
Do you know where your knife comes from and what it is called? The blade profile and fuller match that of the OP (minus the ornate ricasso). Also, as with Rafngard’s example, there is clearly no integral bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline and Sajen will weigh in as to whether their examples have integral bolsters.

Sincerely,
RobT

[carlos]

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3759
The seller told me dagger was from Borneo...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by RobT

Sajen,
When comparing the OP hilt, ferrule, and ricasso to the examples you have submitted, I see similarity but not sameness. In addition, the OP blade with its slightly upswept tip differs markedly from the clip points on the other three blades. Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe the OP knife and the other three are from the same culture? Where do the top two examples you show come from? The blades look Philippine. Do they have integral bolsters? I ask this because, on further viewing, it would appear that what I initially thought was a ferrule on the OP blade is actually an integral blade bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline will clarify.

Dear Rob,

I've stated that these "in my humble opinion" are so called mahout's daggers and I guess the one from Carlos as well. Different age, different part of Celyon maybe, who knows. Of course the examples are not exactly the same but I can see resemblance in them. Keris can look quite different, sewars as well like other weapons also, we don't have stamps here. I don't own such a knife but a friend of mine also owns a few. The two examples i've shown are not mine, I've given in up the thread where they were shown but here again: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan
I will contact my friend if I can show them at this place for comparison.

Best regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

My friend searching for the pics.

Mandarin Manson offer such a knife in the moment, so I can't show it here.

But here are two other examples, they are called "kirichchiya", one is from the Colombo National State museum and the other one was sold by Wallis & Wallies.