Second dha silver handle

[Marc M.]

My second dha, blade was completely rusted so a guess what was underneath. From the seller's photo I thought the handle could be silver wire, which turned out to be so. Blade sanded up with sandpaper coarse to fine, still some damage from the rust, pitting. Super sharp, cut myself while sanding. For now I will leave it as it is. Handle the piece of silver wire that had dissolved with super glue repaired and polished and found a coin, I think at the beginning of the handle against the blade . The coin was completely covered with a thick black (oxide to glue was difficult to remove). The scabbard is a good condition, the finish seems original to me. The ratan? bands holding the scabbard together are intact. On the scabbard an old label with no 17 written on it. Very pleased with the whole thing. Origin Laos Thailand Burma? Age? Comments as always welcome.
regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Before.

[Marc M.]

Really no one who can contribute anything regarding this dha. There are some differences from the previous ones I posted, though. Handle with silver wire, the coin , blade shape, status, origin etc.
Regards
marc

[JeffS]

Looks amazing. I love it when a gamble pays off. The coin is a good clue on origin and age, try to ID it. I've been able to ID coins, even those with very little remaining features, using this site https://en.numista.com/.

[kronckew]

See This Youtube video - Debonder sounds like it might be best for you.

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by JeffS

Looks amazing. I love it when a gamble pays off. The coin is a good clue on origin and age, try to ID it. I've been able to ID coins, even those with very little remaining features, using this site https://en.numista.com/.

Hi JeffS
Thanks for the numista tip, tried but didn't find anything similar.
Regars
Marc

[Sajen]

Hi Marc,

Sorry for my late reply! Your dha/daab is a Siam/Thai daab. The inscription on the coin is Thai, there is also a date visible.

Date on coin: ๑๒๔๔ (1244: Chula Sakarat) = 1882 (Gregorian calendar).
The Chula Sakarat calendar was used in Siam during 1835-1887.

It's a very nice sword, if you ever get bored by it, please let me know!

Best regards,
Detlef

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by kronckew

See This Youtube video - Debonder sounds like it might be best for you.

Hi Kronckew
I expressed myself wrong, probably bad translation.
I fixed the loose silver wire at the end of the handle with superglue.
Thanks again for the many pictures of dha's in my previous post.
Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Marc,

Sorry for my late reply! Your dha/daab is a Siam/Thai daab. The inscription on the coin is Thai, there is also a date visible.

Date on coin: ๑๒๔๔ (1244: Chula Sakarat) = 1882 (Gregorian calendar).
The Chula Sakarat calendar was used in Siam during 1835-1887.

It's a very nice sword, if you ever get bored by it, please let me know!

Best regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef
Wonderful that you can tell that from the small piece of text on the coin. The dha was a guess given the rusted state but a good guess.
Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Thai coin.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Marc M.

Thai coin.

I would just keep in mind the date on the coin is not necessarily the date of the sword but it seems very likely it falls into the 1880s. A good buy!

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Iain

I would just keep in mind the date on the coin is not necessarily the date of the sword but it seems very likely it falls into the 1880s. A good buy!

Hi Iain Yes, a coin with date is an indication of a period which the object could have been made, but can vary by several decades. Coins are often used as decoration on weapons, scabbards and belts in many cultures, is this common in South East Asia , specifically dha's?
Regards
Marc

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Marc M.

Hi Iain Yes, a coin with date is an indication of a period which the object could have been made, but can vary by several decades. Coins are often used as decoration on weapons, scabbards and belts in many cultures, is this common in South East Asia , specifically dha's?
Regards
Marc

That's a good question Marc and I am by no means that experienced with coins on dha, having had only a few pass through my hands. I think they all need to be looked at in context, for example a coin as a pommel cap has perhaps a higher likelihood to be a replacement for a lost pommel than an example like yours where the coin is used as a guard and is integral to the whole sword.

That's why I mentioned that I think you can be pretty safe in saying your sword is from the 1880s and could well be from the exact year of the coin.

In general I think that coins on dha can often have a amulet/talisman meaning. In Thai amulets you see a lot of medallions, special coins etc. Again, its a very specialist area that I can't claim any deep knowledge around, but in the case of your sword it should make for a very interesting research project! The silver wire/fittings on yours is also a good indication it was an important sword for the owner, I think you have a pretty special piece.

[Marc M.]

After cleaning the coin more I determined that it is not silver but copper. It is a sunny day today and the color looked different in the bright light.After some searching a Siam/Thai coin, 1882, ruler Rama 5, copper, 2Att, 1/32 Baht=1Sio.
Regards
Marc

[Marc M.]

Originally Posted by Iain

That's a good question Marc and I am by no means that experienced with coins on dha, having had only a few pass through my hands. I think they all need to be looked at in context, for example a coin as a pommel cap has perhaps a higher likelihood to be a replacement for a lost pommel than an example like yours where the coin is used as a guard and is integral to the whole sword.

That's why I mentioned that I think you can be pretty safe in saying your sword is from the 1880s and could well be from the exact year of the coin.

In general I think that coins on dha can often have a amulet/talisman meaning. In Thai amulets you see a lot of medallions, special coins etc. Again, its a very specialist area that I can't claim any deep knowledge around, but in the case of your sword it should make for a very interesting research project! The silver wire/fittings on yours is also a good indication it was an important sword for the owner, I think you have a pretty special piece.

Well, I'm not really a researcher, but a collector with too broad an interest. Try to gain as much info as possible before a purchase, in my books and the truthful internet. Over the years you develop a kind of feeling, insight in your search for objects. I do have a collector friend with some dha, but like me a broad interest. On my next visit I will take the dha's to him.

Regards
Marc