Burgonet: Solothurn arsenal number?

AHorsa · 21st January 2025, 09:15 PM

Hi,

I recently got this burgonet from around 1610/1620. It has an arsenal inventory number on the right cheekplate. I have seen two helmets with similar numbers from Solothurn arsenals (e.g.: https://european-armour.com/A-5.html). Does anyone know if this Solothurn arsenal inventory number as well?

Thanks and best regards
Andreas

Victrix · 21st January 2025, 10:16 PM

Congratulations on your burgonet! I love the patina and sheen on that piece. Old steel is so beautiful!

My schischagge has numbers on it but I think they are for numbering the parts in the workshop. Your looks more like an arsenal number.

AHorsa · 22nd January 2025, 07:45 AM

Thank you Victrix!
Indeed this one has markings on every parts as well in form of four stripes. I think this is also a numberung from the workshop while the xx33 is from the arsenal

cornelistromp · 23rd January 2025, 01:49 PM

the solothurn numbers start with SO-xxx (x is a number). The threes on your burgonet look however the same as an inventory number (next to the SO number) on a Solothurn burgonet, see photo of MAZ 00249-26 SO-177 B-30.
the 33 is an old arsenal inventory number.

AHorsa · 23rd January 2025, 02:02 PM

Thank you Jasper, fantastic! It is exactly the same "3"! I don't know how far these old stamps vary - is it possible that this very stamp wwas used for my helmet as well or was it a common form of "3" and is just from a similar stamp set?
Can you tell the name of the book?

Here is one from Solothurn which - on the same position as mine - shows a "× 126":

https://european-armour.com/images/A-5.jpg

So at least we can say that the marked on this position and used this remarkable "3" as well as the "x"

Best regards
Andreas

cornelistromp · 23rd January 2025, 05:58 PM

Welcome.

hard to say if it is the same stamp but I don't think it's an ordinary 3.
The book is Zwischen Politik und krieg kunstsammlungen der veste coburg.

best
Jasper

AHorsa · 23rd January 2025, 09:28 PM

Thank you!

I browsed the online collection of the Altes Zeughaus in Solothurn and under MAZ 255-11 there is a very similar helmet. I assume from the same workshop. Even the decoration on the cheekplates und the neck guard is the same but in better condition (s. attached image of mine). And a number "R 17" at the same position as the XX33 on mine. I somehow have the feeling that there is a connection. Maybe it was in the Zeughaus before they started to stamp the SO-number? Who knows. I wrote them an email. Am excited if / what they reply.

BR
Andreas

21st January 2025, 09:15 PM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 372	Burgonet: Solothurn arsenal number? Hi, I recently got this burgonet from around 1610/1620. It has an arsenal inventory number on the right cheekplate. I have seen two helmets with similar numbers from Solothurn arsenals (e.g.: https://european-armour.com/A-5.html). Does anyone know if this Solothurn arsenal inventory number as well? Thanks and best regards Andreas Attached Images Last edited by AHorsa; 21st January 2025 at 09:32 PM.

23rd January 2025, 01:49 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	the solothurn numbers start with SO-xxx (x is a number). The threes on your burgonet look however the same as an inventory number (next to the SO number) on a Solothurn burgonet, see photo of MAZ 00249-26 SO-177 B-30. the 33 is an old arsenal inventory number. Attached Images

23rd January 2025, 02:02 PM	#5
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 372	Thank you Jasper, fantastic! It is exactly the same "3"! I don't know how far these old stamps vary - is it possible that this very stamp wwas used for my helmet as well or was it a common form of "3" and is just from a similar stamp set? Can you tell the name of the book? Here is one from Solothurn which - on the same position as mine - shows a "× 126": https://european-armour.com/images/A-5.jpg So at least we can say that the marked on this position and used this remarkable "3" as well as the "x" Best regards Andreas Last edited by AHorsa; 23rd January 2025 at 02:15 PM.

23rd January 2025, 09:28 PM	#7
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 372	Thank you! I browsed the online collection of the Altes Zeughaus in Solothurn and under MAZ 255-11 there is a very similar helmet. I assume from the same workshop. Even the decoration on the cheekplates und the neck guard is the same but in better condition (s. attached image of mine). And a number "R 17" at the same position as the XX33 on mine. I somehow have the feeling that there is a connection. Maybe it was in the Zeughaus before they started to stamp the SO-number? Who knows. I wrote them an email. Am excited if / what they reply. BR Andreas Attached Images

21st January 2025, 10:16 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 747	Congratulations on your burgonet! I love the patina and sheen on that piece. Old steel is so beautiful! My schischagge has numbers on it but I think they are for numbering the parts in the workshop. Your looks more like an arsenal number.

22nd January 2025, 07:45 AM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 372	Thank you Victrix! Indeed this one has markings on every parts as well in form of four stripes. I think this is also a numberung from the workshop while the xx33 is from the arsenal

23rd January 2025, 05:58 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Welcome. hard to say if it is the same stamp but I don't think it's an ordinary 3. The book is Zwischen Politik und krieg kunstsammlungen der veste coburg. best Jasper