A Pedang for ID

Tatyana Dianova · 20th January 2025, 11:43 AM

A Pedang with a very unusual polychrome wood fittings has come my way. The motifs are a bird, a fish and a dragon. An old Pamor blade. It has a Bali/Lombok vibe, but I have never seen anything like this before. Maybe it is a vintage refurbushing of an old piece?

Sajen · 20th January 2025, 09:52 PM

Hello Tatyana,

An interesting pedang for sure! What I can say, the blade shape is typical for Lombok/Bali pedangs IMVHO. And I think that two parts of the three part metal sleeve of the handle are missing. I would guess that the scabbard isn't the first one as is the painting of the handle.
Anyway, a nice pendang.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 21st January 2025, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

And I think that two parts of the three part metal sleeve of the handle are missing.

For explanation what I mean.

Tatyana Dianova · 21st January 2025, 08:44 AM

Thank you very much for your insights, Detlef!
I think, you are right. The handle of the old sword was painted and it got the new scabbard, but the result is quite pleasing and artistically nice. The refitting was made some dozens of years ago, since the fittings have visible signs of wear.

Sajen · 21st January 2025, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

Thank you very much for your insights, Detlef!
I think, you are right. The handle of the old sword was painted and it got the new scabbard, but the result is quite pleasing and artistically nice. The refitting was made some dozens of years ago, since the fittings have visible signs of wear.

Hi Tatyana,

I would agree with you about the dating of the scabbard and painting. Can you see if the handle is from wood or horn?
A nice pedang anyway, I like it!

Regards,
Detlef

Tatyana Dianova · 21st January 2025, 09:59 PM

The handle is made from wood.
The carving on the top of the handle is probably a Garuda, as I have noticed today. It has a small bird "face" with a large feather crown. On the photos it is not so good visible, since it is a side view.
Does any of your handles have a bird character on them?

Sajen · 21st January 2025, 10:27 PM

I would say that it is a stylised Makara head instead of Garuda IMVHO.

By a few I can see with a little bit imagination a face in the carving.

Regards,
Detlef

Tatyana Dianova · 22nd January 2025, 01:16 PM

The face on the hilt looks pretty much like the face of Garuda carving that I have.

Tatyana Dianova · 22nd January 2025, 05:00 PM

The same bird with teeth on the Barong garments:

Sajen · 22nd January 2025, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

The face on the hilt looks pretty much like the face of Garuda carving that I have.

Ah, now I understand!

No, not one of my pedang hilts show this feature. And I agree, it seems to be Garuda. Very nice!

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 22nd January 2025, 07:19 PM

A pedang with a very similar blade and a Garuda on the pommel.

Tatyana Dianova · 22nd January 2025, 09:47 PM

Thank you Rick for your example!
Probably, the pommel on this type of Pedang swords always represents a Garuda? Just in most cases it is not so obvious.

20th January 2025, 11:43 AM	#1
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	A Pedang for ID A Pedang with a very unusual polychrome wood fittings has come my way. The motifs are a bird, a fish and a dragon. An old Pamor blade. It has a Bali/Lombok vibe, but I have never seen anything like this before. Maybe it is a vintage refurbushing of an old piece? Attached Images

20th January 2025, 09:52 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,024	Hello Tatyana, An interesting pedang for sure! What I can say, the blade shape is typical for Lombok/Bali pedangs IMVHO. And I think that two parts of the three part metal sleeve of the handle are missing. I would guess that the scabbard isn't the first one as is the painting of the handle. Anyway, a nice pendang. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 21st January 2025 at 01:14 AM.

21st January 2025, 10:27 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,024	I would say that it is a stylised Makara head instead of Garuda IMVHO. By a few I can see with a little bit imagination a face in the carving. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

22nd January 2025, 01:16 PM	#8
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	The face on the hilt looks pretty much like the face of Garuda carving that I have. Attached Images

22nd January 2025, 05:00 PM	#9
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	The same bird with teeth on the Barong garments: Attached Images

21st January 2025, 08:44 AM	#4
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	Thank you very much for your insights, Detlef! I think, you are right. The handle of the old sword was painted and it got the new scabbard, but the result is quite pleasing and artistically nice. The refitting was made some dozens of years ago, since the fittings have visible signs of wear.

21st January 2025, 09:59 PM	#6
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	The handle is made from wood. The carving on the top of the handle is probably a Garuda, as I have noticed today. It has a small bird "face" with a large feather crown. On the photos it is not so good visible, since it is a side view. Does any of your handles have a bird character on them?

22nd January 2025, 07:19 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,313	A pedang with a very similar blade and a Garuda on the pommel. Attached Images

22nd January 2025, 09:47 PM	#12
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 711	Thank you Rick for your example! Probably, the pommel on this type of Pedang swords always represents a Garuda? Just in most cases it is not so obvious.