arms of georgian kings - Janashia collection

Rivkin · 16th July 2006, 06:59 AM

Dear All,

Attached is a rather interesting calendar:
rkmag.com/kindjal/arms.pdf

I have 60Gb limit on downloads there, so I will take the link down if more than 1000 people use it.

A little bit of commentaries:

gorda khmali translates as "gurda-sword"
Erekle II lived in 1720-1798,
Alexander the III ruled in 1639-1660
Solomon II 1789-1810
Saakadze was an eastern georgian/persian/ottoman high ranking commander, lived 1570 – 1629

Have fun

Aqtai · 16th July 2006, 02:34 PM

Hi Rivkin,

Thanks for sharing that with us, that was really interesting. Georgian arms and armour is another one of those things about which I am shamefully ignorant. It is also proof of how innacurate the term "Islamic Arms and Armour" can sometimes be. Despite their similarity to Persian and Turkish weapons and Armour the wearers and many of the makers of these items are not Muslim. Maybe we need a new term like "Near-Eastern, Indian and Caucasian", only less cumbersome.

Radu Transylvanicus · 16th July 2006, 02:42 PM

Delightfull & educational! Thank you for sharing!

Jens Nordlunde · 16th July 2006, 03:43 PM

Thank you very much for sharing, it is most interesting, especially as one seldom see Georgian weapons.

Rivkin · 16th July 2006, 06:46 PM

I think the definition Islamic is actually quite useful here - all of the "persian" looking things are actually from Eastern Georgia, which at the time was a colony of Persia. All of them are actually called "persian sword" in Georgia, they are local variations of persian weapons; a lot of these people actually converted to Islam at one point or another, like Saakadze. I would not define the palash and khevsurian swords as Islamic, but see no reason why this can not be applied at least to shamshirs.

VANDOO · 16th July 2006, 07:06 PM

I HAD FUN

THANKS FOR THE POST I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED THE FEW ITEMS I HAD SEEN FROM GEORGIA.

16th July 2006, 06:59 AM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	arms of georgian kings - Janashia collection Dear All, Attached is a rather interesting calendar: rkmag.com/kindjal/arms.pdf I have 60Gb limit on downloads there, so I will take the link down if more than 1000 people use it. A little bit of commentaries: gorda khmali translates as "gurda-sword" Erekle II lived in 1720-1798, Alexander the III ruled in 1639-1660 Solomon II 1789-1810 Saakadze was an eastern georgian/persian/ottoman high ranking commander, lived 1570 – 1629 Have fun

16th July 2006, 02:34 PM	#2
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	Hi Rivkin, Thanks for sharing that with us, that was really interesting. Georgian arms and armour is another one of those things about which I am shamefully ignorant. It is also proof of how innacurate the term "Islamic Arms and Armour" can sometimes be. Despite their similarity to Persian and Turkish weapons and Armour the wearers and many of the makers of these items are not Muslim. Maybe we need a new term like "Near-Eastern, Indian and Caucasian", only less cumbersome. Last edited by Aqtai; 16th July 2006 at 03:09 PM.

16th July 2006, 02:42 PM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Delightfull & educational! Thank you for sharing!

16th July 2006, 03:43 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Thank you very much for sharing, it is most interesting, especially as one seldom see Georgian weapons.

16th July 2006, 06:46 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I think the definition Islamic is actually quite useful here - all of the "persian" looking things are actually from Eastern Georgia, which at the time was a colony of Persia. All of them are actually called "persian sword" in Georgia, they are local variations of persian weapons; a lot of these people actually converted to Islam at one point or another, like Saakadze. I would not define the palash and khevsurian swords as Islamic, but see no reason why this can not be applied at least to shamshirs.

16th July 2006, 07:06 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAD FUN THANKS FOR THE POST I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED THE FEW ITEMS I HAD SEEN FROM GEORGIA.