Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 3rd February 2021, 12:42 PM   #1
Athanase
Member
 
Athanase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 408
Default Show us your Dua Lalan

Hello,

Here is a subject to exhibit your Dua Lalan


The first has a very simple wooden handle, the scabbard is covered with rattan with a brass band at the base.

The second has a pretty buffalo horn handle inlaid with bone, unfortunately it lacks the rattan on the grip and mice we seemed to find it to their taste ... The foot of the scabbard is in buffalo horn and is maintained by a bone pin.
Attached Images
    
Athanase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd February 2021, 06:02 PM   #2
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

You have acquired some nice Sulawesi swords Séverin, congrats!

Here my honest example.

Regards,
Detlef
Attached Images
   
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th February 2021, 04:05 PM   #3
Athanase
Member
 
Athanase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 408
Default

I forgot my first Duan Lalan ^^ :
Attached Images
   
Athanase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th September 2022, 03:37 AM   #4
JeffS
Member
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 345
Default

Here are two more examples. I agree with the sentiment of Athanase (shared on his similar alamang post), these "Show me ..." posts are very helpful reference spots. They are also low hanging fruit for keeping our forum lively! 0
Attached Images
  
JeffS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2022, 10:25 AM   #5
David R
Member
 
David R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,079
Default

Thank you for showing these, not seen anything like them before.
David R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th September 2022, 05:06 PM   #6
JeffS
Member
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 345
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David R View Post
Thank you for showing these, not seen anything like them before.
They are quite interesting. Apparently the Torajan language does not have a written form but they make extensive use of precise symbols which carry meaning that is passed on orally. I've attached an example panel of symbols. After looking at a number of dua lalan I'm starting to suspect new symbols are added over time, perhaps to record significant events. I believe Detlef has one that clearly shows a carving that was added later on the field (on part that looks like a hornbill's beak) that is blank in my example above.
Attached Images
 
JeffS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th September 2022, 05:51 PM   #7
Athanase
Member
 
Athanase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 408
Default

Very nice Dua Lalan Jeff !!
Athanase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th August 2023, 11:29 PM   #8
Rafngard
Member
 
Rafngard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Minneapolis,MN
Posts: 342
Default

Recently picked up my first one.

Enjoy,
Leif
Attached Images
     
Rafngard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2024, 08:16 PM   #9
Athanase
Member
 
Athanase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 408
Default

Hello,
Nice blade Rafngard.

My new Duan Lalan, with unusual handle and an exeptionnal pamor blade.
Attached Images
    
Athanase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2024, 09:01 PM   #10
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

Very nice one! Congrats!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2024, 11:16 PM   #11
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Thumbs up

Hello Séverin,

I agree with Detlef - very nice piece!

The blade getting wider towards the tip is quite untypical for these.

Regards,
Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2024, 03:28 AM   #12
JeffS
Member
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 345
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Athanase View Post
Hello,
Nice blade Rafngard.

My new Duan Lalan, with unusual handle and an exeptionnal pamor blade.
Is that considered a twist core?
JeffS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2024, 01:31 AM   #13
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Default

Maybe not - close-ups would be great for verification, Séverin!
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st May 2024, 03:53 PM   #14
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Yes, two twisted rods on each side of blade.
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2nd June 2024, 11:09 PM   #15
Athanase
Member
 
Athanase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Paris (France)
Posts: 408
Default

Some close up.
Attached Images
   
Athanase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th September 2024, 09:36 PM   #16
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Athanase, this link could be of interest to you. It shows a similar blade with similar handle, qnd attributes it to a certain Toraja group.

https://ificah-vr.de/exhibition-you-...-dolo/?lang=en
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th September 2024, 11:56 AM   #17
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
Some of the shown weapons in this exhibition are coming originally from my collection.
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th September 2024, 01:05 PM   #18
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sajen View Post
Some of the shown weapons in this exhibition are coming originally from my collection.
Detlef, they surely wanted items of best quality from your collection. Just out of curiosity - did you already had the same kind of items of similar quality in your collection as the ones you gave them?
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th September 2024, 05:10 PM   #19
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
Detlef, they surely wanted items of best quality from your collection. Just out of curiosity - did you already had the same kind of items of similar quality in your collection as the ones you gave them?
Hello Gustav,

I was only reasonably wealthy for a short time, I didn't want to see my children grow up in a rented apartment on a main road, so I bought a house and was therefore constantly forced to sell top pieces from my collection. The problem of a single earner! All the pieces shown in this exhibition which came from my collection are now in one prominent collection. To answer your question, no, I haven't been able to purchase any comparable pieces since then.
The pieces are shown by the pics.

And here the threads where I have shown them before:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Timor
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=taiwan
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=taiwan
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=nias

Regards,
Detlef
Attached Images
    
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th September 2024, 09:01 PM   #20
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Detlef,

you are a very good husband and father. I can't yet imagine myself parting with pieces of such quality.

Regards,
Gustav
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th September 2024, 09:43 PM   #21
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
you are a very good husband and father. I can't yet imagine myself parting with pieces of such quality.
Thank you very much Gustav!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th September 2024, 05:23 PM   #22
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Here another specimen, quite elaborated Pamor, yet also kind of typical - a twisted rod (?) in the upper third, two twisted rods in the middle. Perhaps there was some different kind of a twisted rod at the edge, but it has vanished. Additionally a Batu Lapak, only on the "inner" side of blade.

Blade length - 44 cm.
Attached Images
            
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th September 2024, 11:32 PM   #23
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,791
Default

Very nice complete example!
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th September 2024, 11:44 PM   #24
Gustav
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,249
Default

Thank you, Detlef!

I really can only admire the work of the blacksmith who made it. So many tricky welds, and not one significant cold shut.
Gustav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th September 2024, 01:59 AM   #25
JeffS
Member
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 345
Default

Also nice to see these with the bone inlay intact. Thank you for sharing.
JeffS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.