Arrow in Scroll makers mark?

[Jim McDougall]

In the illustrations I posted, some of these kinds of 'squiggle' marks, clearly on the spine of the sword blade have a strange resemblance to the arrow mark on the example posted.
With this suggestion in mind, what could be the meaning of these types of marks without the arrow?

For reference, it is my post #6, the three figures at bottom of the page.

[Radboud]

Hello Jim, the three figures from the page in L'Hoste's book "Armes Blanches Symbolisme Inscriptions" are commonly referred to as "Solingen Roses" and seem to appear on many Solingen produced blades between about 1780 and 1830.

There's a lot of variation in these and unfortunately the meaning of them is unknown. But my anicdotal observations suggests that they become less complex over time until they disappear.

You will recall we have discussed these in the past and I posted a thread about them here: 'Rose' Mark on the spine of Solingen blades

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Radboud

Hello Jim, the three figures from the page in L'Hoste's book "Armes Blanches Symbolisme Inscriptions" are commonly referred to as "Solingen Roses" and seem to appear on many Solingen produced blades between about 1780 and 1830.

There's a lot of variation in these and unfortunately the meaning of them is unknown. But my anicdotal observations suggests that they become less complex over time until they disappear.

You will recall we have discussed these in the past and I posted a thread about them here: 'Rose' Mark on the spine of Solingen blades

Thank you! That was indeed an amazing thread, and exactly the context I was thinking of in viewing this arrow mark. I had entirely forgotten the Solingen rose aspect, and it seems very much in similar convention with the arrow which seems to fall more in the Nantes motif's than the Solingen versions. My main objective was to illustrate these esoteric occult themes used on blades in these times.

While I always appreciate suggestions and thinking outside the box, as obviously I do that a great deal, the idea of the arrow having any pragmatic solution such as point of balance etc. does not seem to fit considering the other markings on spines such as the Solingen rose.
Thanks again for posting that thread, I had forgotten how intense and useful that discussion was.

[Radboud]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Thank you! That was indeed an amazing thread, and exactly the context I was thinking of in viewing this arrow mark. I had entirely forgotten the Solingen rose aspect, and it seems very much in similar convention with the arrow which seems to fall more in the Nantes motif's than the Solingen versions. My main objective was to illustrate these esoteric occult themes used on blades in these times.

I tend to agree with Corrado, that this arrow and occult icongraphy in general aren't specific to Caissagnard or Nantes the region. Caissagnard just stands out as he was quite consistent with the three designs used on blades that can be attributed to his business.

You raise a good point that the arrow bound in a scroll is quite a symbolic motif. It would be wonderful to learn who put it there and what special meaning (if any) was attributed to it.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Radboud

I tend to agree with Corrado, that this arrow and occult icongraphy in general aren't specific to Caissagnard or Nantes the region. Caissagnard just stands out as he was quite consistent with the three designs used on blades that can be attributed to his business.

You raise a good point that the arrow bound in a scroll is quite a symbolic motif. It would be wonderful to learn who put it there and what special meaning (if any) was attributed to it.

I agree as well, and as you noted in our previous discussions that these occult symbolisms were not specific to Nantes, nor Caissagnard, who was but one of the artisans there who popularized these motifs. As often the case, as he was apparently one of the most notable or prevalent, his name became somewhat associated with the style and often used collectively as such.

The arrow in the scroll as I noted was only similar among other cases using this angelic trope in the convention of these kinds of occult motifs. Similar conventions were well known in Eastern Europe with what became known as the 'Transylvanian knot' with occult devices on the blades. We know that in mid 18th century to latter, influences from these regions, the hussars and pandours deeply influenced western Europe.

We cannot likely ever know exactly who placed this device as shown, but it seems compellingly associated with the occult conventions to do with angelic communication and talismanic imbuement, perhaps the cherubim symbolism with their use of the bow and arrow.

What is significant to me is the styling as a flourish on the spine of the blade similar to the Solingen rose, but with more direct occult association.

These examples of otherwise regulation style military swords, but with subtle decoration associated with these occult motif are fascinating, as they reflect just how much these kinds of esoterica influenced these forces.

In my view this takes a sword for a grenadier to another level, with far more intrigue than those with regularly marked blades.