Another Madura Keris?

[A. G. Maisey]

In what I can see, this pamor looks like the remnants of a pamor miring, but i cannot guess what it might have been made as from these photos, I alsi cannot name the pamor in the sorsoran from memory, to give a supportable opinion I would need this keris in hand, along with a decent reference book & a 3X loupe.

Keris dress with Islamic motifs can be both made to order or made as a stock item. It appears to have become much more popular in Indonesia, along with the rise of Islam in recent years.

[Gustav]

To me it looks like two twisted bars with low twist frequency on a side, divided by a Miring stripe, plus Puser.

As Alan said, remnants of Pamor, the structure of twisted bars still recognizable in a couple of places on Sorsoran or better, lower third of the blade.

[A. G. Maisey]

Agreed Gustav, the overall impression is as you state, however I cannot see sufficient detail in the photo to let me identify the grain orientation.

The little roundish thing in the sorsoran does not have a form I recognise, so I cannot name it.

[oariff]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Agreed Gustav, the overall impression is as you state, however I cannot see sufficient detail in the photo to let me identify the grain orientation.

The little roundish thing in the sorsoran does not have a form I recognise, so I cannot name it.

Thanks Alan and Gustav.

I hv enclosed 2 more pics that might or might not shed more details.

Cheers.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Agreed Gustav, the overall impression is as you state, however I cannot see sufficient detail in the photo to let me identify the grain orientation.

The little roundish thing in the sorsoran does not have a form I recognise, so I cannot name it.

I agree with Alan that this pamor, though similar to pamor puser, may be something a little different. All the pamor puser i have seen are a fairly standard spiral in a circular pattern. This pamor very specifically steps out of that pattern. Though i am not sure if it has a different name or intention.
I do like this blade very much. The wrongko seems to be nicely crafted, though not particularly a style i enjoy. I wonder is anyone is capable of translating the script, though it is very likely a verse from the Quran. The donoriko hilt is also nicely carved, but personally i find these appear too over done when they have the bulky selut attached. Over all a nice keris though.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

The wrongko seems to be nicely crafted, though not particularly a style i enjoy. I wonder is anyone is capable of translating the script, though it is very likely a verse from the Quran. The donoriko hilt is also nicely carved, but personally i find these appear too over done when they have the bulky selut attached. Over all a nice keris though.

Hello David,

It's exactly the style (East-) Javanese and Madurese people value So far I know. This keris (dress) is made for a Madurese man and not for a Western collector! And the blade will be a pusaka.

Regards,
Detlef

[Gustav]

Oariff,

how this, let's call it Puser-like feature, looks on the other side of blade, if there is any?

[oariff]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Oariff,

how this, let's call it Puser-like feature, looks on the other side of blade, if there is any?

Hi Gustav,

Doesn't look like there is one on the other side. There is however an Allah SWT inscription on the blade though.

Will this have been done when the keris was made or added on at a later stage?

What would be the tangguh for this keris?

Cheers.

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello David,

It's exactly the style (East-) Javanese and Madurese people value So far I know. This keris (dress) is made for a Madurese man and not for a Western collector! And the blade will be a pusaka.

Regards,
Detlef

Thanks Detlef, but i wasn't questioning who this dress was created for, simply expressing a personal preference, especially in regards to this type of selut. We are allowed to express our preferences he, yes?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

Thanks Detlef, but i wasn't questioning who this dress was created for, simply expressing a personal preference, especially in regards to this type of selut. We are allowed to express our preferences he, yes?

Yes, of course David! It's also not my cup of tea.

[oariff]

Originally Posted by David

I agree with Alan that this pamor, though similar to pamor puser, may be something a little different. All the pamor puser i have seen are a fairly standard spiral in a circular pattern. This pamor very specifically steps out of that pattern. Though i am not sure if it has a different name or intention.
I do like this blade very much. The wrongko seems to be nicely crafted, though not particularly a style i enjoy. I wonder is anyone is capable of translating the script, though it is very likely a verse from the Quran. The donoriko hilt is also nicely carved, but personally i find these appear too over done when they have the bulky selut attached. Over all a nice keris though.

Hi David,

On the top is Allah SWT and the longer ayat is Ayatul Kursi (The Throne Verse) from the Holy Quran.

Cheers.

[David]

Originally Posted by oariff

Hi David,

On the top is Allah SWT and the longer ayat is Ayatul Kursi (The Throne Verse) from the Holy Quran.

Cheers.

Thank's Omar. That is what i assumed, but i don't know the language.

[oariff]

Originally Posted by Gustav

To me it looks like two twisted bars with low twist frequency on a side, divided by a Miring stripe, plus Puser.

As Alan said, remnants of Pamor, the structure of twisted bars still recognizable in a couple of places on Sorsoran or better, lower third of the blade.

I got a bit closer to the puser.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Keris dress with Islamic motifs can be both made to order or made as a stock item. It appears to have become much more popular in Indonesia, along with the rise of Islam in recent years.

I have seen similar dresses around 2000 in Surabaya owned by a dealer of keris I was in contact with for years, all have been his personal keris and they weren't for sale, partly with good karmadikan blades and with Quran verse in gold on them.
He was a proud haji.

Regards,
Detlef