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Sajen · 1st January 2024, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendita65

Mr. Maisey,
Thank you for your response to my posting. And I think it,s made before WW2.But I can’t prove this.

There was dammar varnish also on the tombak and this I scraped of with my thumbnail. I will do that with the Keris blade as well. As a teacher in furniture restoration the woodwork ain’t a problem. I haven’t found out what kind of wood the gander is made off. It is a very light wood and to my feeling the sapwood part of wood but what species I don’t, have a clue.
Can I ask you what you mean with a foot at a gambar ?
I post some pics of the Javanese Keris. I think underneath the varnish is a nice pamor as you can see in the picture.

Best wishes for 2024 as at your part it already is the new year.

Martin

Happy New Year Martin!

Your second keris I like much more than the other one! When you are used to working with wood it will be an easy project for you to give it a new gandar. Be very careful with the pendok, the material looks very thin to my eyes. It's not the best pendok I've seen of this type but a good one and worth restoration.
The complete keris is a gayaman keris in Jogya style, blade is dapur tilam upih and the pamor is nice, maybe batu lapak, surely worth getting a new stain. Nice keris and I am curious to see it restored.
This will be a very nice keris for every collection IMVHO.

Regards,
Detlef

Pendita65 · 2nd January 2024, 10:09 AM

Hello Detlef,

thank you for the message and hope you had a gute rutsch ins neue jahr too.
I don't see any problems creating a gandar ain't a difficult task for me. Will search for some djati sapwood as i don't want to use European or African wood for this. Will post pictures as soon as i start with the project.

Best wishes, Martin

Pendita65 · 11th January 2024, 06:17 PM

Hi all,

I cleaned my Keris from the dammar varnish today and this is how it looks now I took some images from the wilah. I also had in my spare parts a nice old silvered pendok for it.

The pamor is it Batu lupak or is it pamor kul buntet? I am trying to identify it but it’s difficult for me.
Hope some of the experts can tell me more.

Regards, Martin.

David · 11th January 2024, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendita65

I cleaned my Keris from the dammar varnish today and this is how it looks now I took some images from the wilah. I also had in my spare parts a nice old silvered pendok for it.

Martin, i'm not seeing the photos on my end.

A. G. Maisey · 11th January 2024, 11:27 PM

I believe most people would classify the pamor in the sorsoran as Kul Buntet.

kai · 12th January 2024, 01:28 AM

It doesn't look inserted to me, Alan.

To me, this motif at the base seems to be a part of the overall pamor (with much of it now lost to erosion).

Regards,
Kai

Pendita65 · 12th January 2024, 06:15 AM

The photo’s after taking off the dammar varnish

A. G. Maisey · 12th January 2024, 06:17 AM

I tend to disagree Kai, erosion and the necessary coldwork has taken a part of the swirl, I feel that this swirl might be continued into the pesi, & and if that is so, then that pesi will have been attached to the blade after the body of the blade had been forged, however, this is just a possibility being floated, because we cannot know that without seeing the pesi, especially under the gonjo.

In any case, whether the kul buntet was inserted as a swirl, or whether the maker was sufficiently skilled to create a swirl in one part of a larger motif, the end result is still the same:- kul buntet.

If it is a part of a larger motif, is that larger motif mlumah or miring?

Incidentally, on the subject of "insertion" of a pamor feature, in some cases we can form a hole, or even an impression in the material, & then lay the swirl or whatever into it, but it is also sufficient just to lay the additional piece of pamor onto the already forged material, then cover it with another piece of material that gets removed during the cold work.

Pendita65 · 12th January 2024, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Martin, i'm not seeing the photos on my end.

Hi David i guess something went wrong with the photo's i just posted them again.

Pendita65 · 12th January 2024, 10:20 PM

Detail of the pendok as replacement.

David · 15th January 2024, 05:24 PM

The replacement pendok looks good Martin, though i do believe with just a little bit of effort you could restore the original one to a fairly decent condition.

11th January 2024, 06:17 PM	#3
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 132	Cleaned Hi all, I cleaned my Keris from the dammar varnish today and this is how it looks now I took some images from the wilah. I also had in my spare parts a nice old silvered pendok for it. The pamor is it Batu lupak or is it pamor kul buntet? I am trying to identify it but it’s difficult for me. Hope some of the experts can tell me more. Regards, Martin.

12th January 2024, 06:15 AM	#7
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 132	The photo’s after taking off the dammar varnish Attached Images

12th January 2024, 10:20 PM	#10
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 132	Detail of the pendok as replacement. Attached Images

2nd January 2024, 10:09 AM	#2
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 132	Hello Detlef, thank you for the message and hope you had a gute rutsch ins neue jahr too. I don't see any problems creating a gandar ain't a difficult task for me. Will search for some djati sapwood as i don't want to use European or African wood for this. Will post pictures as soon as i start with the project. Best wishes, Martin

11th January 2024, 11:27 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	I believe most people would classify the pamor in the sorsoran as Kul Buntet.

12th January 2024, 01:28 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	It doesn't look inserted to me, Alan. To me, this motif at the base seems to be a part of the overall pamor (with much of it now lost to erosion). Regards, Kai

12th January 2024, 06:17 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	I tend to disagree Kai, erosion and the necessary coldwork has taken a part of the swirl, I feel that this swirl might be continued into the pesi, & and if that is so, then that pesi will have been attached to the blade after the body of the blade had been forged, however, this is just a possibility being floated, because we cannot know that without seeing the pesi, especially under the gonjo. In any case, whether the kul buntet was inserted as a swirl, or whether the maker was sufficiently skilled to create a swirl in one part of a larger motif, the end result is still the same:- kul buntet. If it is a part of a larger motif, is that larger motif mlumah or miring? Incidentally, on the subject of "insertion" of a pamor feature, in some cases we can form a hole, or even an impression in the material, & then lay the swirl or whatever into it, but it is also sufficient just to lay the additional piece of pamor onto the already forged material, then cover it with another piece of material that gets removed during the cold work.

15th January 2024, 05:24 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	The replacement pendok looks good Martin, though i do believe with just a little bit of effort you could restore the original one to a fairly decent condition.