Unusual Kris Hilt for Comment

kai · 17th December 2023, 09:41 PM

I'd vote for Moro, Rob!

Ian · 17th December 2023, 10:10 PM

Looks all Moro to me too. That 20th C grip wrap is usually seen on Sulu kris.

SanibelSwassa · 18th December 2023, 03:06 AM

These are Moro pieces from my collection. I believe these are Seko or horse hoof hilts and became more popular after the fall of the last sultanate. With that said I’m definitely open to input and wisdom from others that can shine more light on the subject.

Sajen · 18th December 2023, 04:10 PM

Here are two more in a similar style.

JeffS · 18th December 2023, 05:28 PM

Another. The carving is nicely done.

RobT · 19th December 2023, 12:47 AM

Thanks to all who replied,

Special thanks to SanibelSwassa and JeffS for providing examples that are so similar to my hilt. I do have a question for SanibelSwassa about his use of seko for horse hoof. I know the word kuda for horse hoof. Who are the people who use seko and who uses kuda?
So, Moro it is. This is good to know because I have a kris that needs a pommel and, if I'm feeling ambitious, I may decide to try to duplicate this fancy style (more than likely though, I will make a more conventional kuda hilt like the ones Sajen shows).

Sincerely,
RobT

Ian · 19th December 2023, 03:15 AM

It's interesting that all of these "horse hoof" pommels are accompanied by hilts reflecting other features of mid-20th C production, most notably the type of wraps on the grip section of the hilt. This is true for the bangkung as well. These all appear to be of Sulu origin. Whether the blades predate the dress is hard to say. I've seen old kris blades redressed in this style, similar to Sajen's and Jeff's examples.

18th December 2023, 03:06 AM	#3
SanibelSwassa Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Sanibel Florida Posts: 104	A couple of similar hilts to add to the discussion These are Moro pieces from my collection. I believe these are Seko or horse hoof hilts and became more popular after the fall of the last sultanate. With that said I’m definitely open to input and wisdom from others that can shine more light on the subject. Attached Images

18th December 2023, 04:10 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,418	Here are two more in a similar style. Attached Images

18th December 2023, 05:28 PM	#5
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 441	Another. The carving is nicely done. Attached Images

19th December 2023, 12:47 AM	#6
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 568	Thanks for the Info Thanks to all who replied, Special thanks to SanibelSwassa and JeffS for providing examples that are so similar to my hilt. I do have a question for SanibelSwassa about his use of seko for horse hoof. I know the word kuda for horse hoof. Who are the people who use seko and who uses kuda? So, Moro it is. This is good to know because I have a kris that needs a pommel and, if I'm feeling ambitious, I may decide to try to duplicate this fancy style (more than likely though, I will make a more conventional kuda hilt like the ones Sajen shows). Sincerely, RobT

17th December 2023, 09:41 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I'd vote for Moro, Rob!

17th December 2023, 10:10 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,523	Looks all Moro to me too. That 20th C grip wrap is usually seen on Sulu kris.

19th December 2023, 03:15 AM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,523	It's interesting that all of these "horse hoof" pommels are accompanied by hilts reflecting other features of mid-20th C production, most notably the type of wraps on the grip section of the hilt. This is true for the bangkung as well. These all appear to be of Sulu origin. Whether the blades predate the dress is hard to say. I've seen old kris blades redressed in this style, similar to Sajen's and Jeff's examples.