If Not a Barong,Then What?

mariusgmioc · 22nd August 2023, 07:49 PM

Why not BARONG?!

I am not very knowledgeable about this but to my eyes this is a barong, albeit the widening of the blade is slightly more pronounced towards the tip than in the classic barongs.

Sajen · 22nd August 2023, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Why not BARONG?!

I am not very knowledgeable about this but to my eyes this is a barong, albeit the widening of the blade is slightly more pronounced towards the tip than in the classic barongs.

Hi Marius,

Please compare: First pic. barungs from Spunjer, sec. pic. barungs from Kino, third pic. my own ones, last pic. the sword from Drac2k.

The spine of a barung blade is never straight like by the sword from Drac2k.

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc · 22nd August 2023, 10:25 PM

Thank you Detlef for the clear and well illustrated explanation.

Indeed there are enough differences that set this blade apart from the barong family.

Battara · 23rd August 2023, 02:15 AM

Yes that part of your hilt is damaged, and made of kamagong (I hate spell check

).

drac2k · 23rd August 2023, 05:07 AM

That is not damage, but rather a beauty mark,lol ;I see it and thanks for the information.

Interested Party · 23rd August 2023, 03:19 PM

I knew I had seen this style of hilt before. Sorry for the bad pictures. If I get a chance, I will replace the first one. There wasn't natural light yet. Here are two pages from Cato. I know the point slopes the wrong way, but could this be from the bangkung family, posibly with an influence from the Northern Philippine states? The example in the original post has a mouth the to me looks like a stylized crocodile.

Whatever it is it was a good find. The sad thing about living faraway from cities is that I never find anything like this

kai · 23rd August 2023, 09:51 PM

No, this naga hilt style is found with a wide variety of blades.

I have difficulties to understand the urge to assign variant blades to well-known styles. We do know that in addition the common types there was quite some more variety of Moro blades. While we may not be able to establish their traditional names anymore (unless more research digs up additional period sources or via informants from those cultures), let's just accept that there are oddballs around.

Regards,
Kai

23rd August 2023, 03:19 PM	#6
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 490	bangkung family? I knew I had seen this style of hilt before. Sorry for the bad pictures. If I get a chance, I will replace the first one. There wasn't natural light yet. Here are two pages from Cato. I know the point slopes the wrong way, but could this be from the bangkung family, posibly with an influence from the Northern Philippine states? The example in the original post has a mouth the to me looks like a stylized crocodile. Whatever it is it was a good find. The sad thing about living faraway from cities is that I never find anything like this Attached Images

22nd August 2023, 07:49 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Why not BARONG?! I am not very knowledgeable about this but to my eyes this is a barong, albeit the widening of the blade is slightly more pronounced towards the tip than in the classic barongs.

22nd August 2023, 10:25 PM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Thank you Detlef for the clear and well illustrated explanation. Indeed there are enough differences that set this blade apart from the barong family.

23rd August 2023, 02:15 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Yes that part of your hilt is damaged, and made of kamagong (I hate spell check ).

23rd August 2023, 05:07 AM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	That is not damage, but rather a beauty mark,lol ;I see it and thanks for the information.

23rd August 2023, 09:51 PM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	No, this naga hilt style is found with a wide variety of blades. I have difficulties to understand the urge to assign variant blades to well-known styles. We do know that in addition the common types there was quite some more variety of Moro blades. While we may not be able to establish their traditional names anymore (unless more research digs up additional period sources or via informants from those cultures), let's just accept that there are oddballs around. Regards, Kai