East Java keris for comment

Sajen · 2nd July 2023, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Actually i quite like this keris. I like the pamor, which seems to be wengkon with another pamor i am unsure of. Someone here should know though.
The pelet on the wrongko is also nice, which is probably why this keris was refitted for it.
This hilt form is one i have yet to collect. Seems like a fairly good example of the form.
What is the mendak made of, copper, or possibly suasa?

Hello David,

Yes, it's a wengkon pamor but like you I can't name the inner pamor. I have a fondness for pelet wrongkos and I am glad that the restoration of the atasan is coming out quite good. And like said, the hilt was the main reason that I have acquired the neglected keris. The mendak seems to be from brass or copper and was once silver plated I guess and coming from my stock.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 2nd July 2023, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

The mendak seems to be from brass or copper and was once silver plated I guess and coming from my stock.

The color definitely makes it look more copper than brass. I have a selut of one of my collection that is copper that was once silver plated so this seems very likely.

A. G. Maisey · 3rd July 2023, 06:41 AM

I'd give that inner pamor as ngulit semangko, so: ngulit semangko wengkon

Sajen · 3rd July 2023, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I'd give that inner pamor as ngulit semangko, so: ngulit semangko wengkon

Thank you Alan!

David · 4th July 2023, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I'd give that inner pamor as ngulit semangko, so: ngulit semangko wengkon

Thanks Alan. I had considered that, but the way it presents, especially near the base, was a little confusing.

A. G. Maisey · 4th July 2023, 09:09 PM

Wos wutah & ngulit/kulit semangka are both simple random pamors.

WW can have many layers of contrasting material, and during the process of making there can be surface manipulation.

NS has far fewer layers of pamor, and there is no surface manipulation.

The end result for WW can be a tightly packed, random pattern.

The end result for NS has far fewer layers of contrasting material, the naturally occurring indentations during forging result in exposure of contrasting material when the cold work is done.

So, with these simple, random pamors you don't really have a lot of choices, if in doubt you just run through your possibles and eliminate one by one, if you've seen a lot of NS examples, or WW examples one glance is normally sufficient.

3rd July 2023, 06:41 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	I'd give that inner pamor as ngulit semangko, so: ngulit semangko wengkon

4th July 2023, 09:09 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Wos wutah & ngulit/kulit semangka are both simple random pamors. WW can have many layers of contrasting material, and during the process of making there can be surface manipulation. NS has far fewer layers of pamor, and there is no surface manipulation. The end result for WW can be a tightly packed, random pattern. The end result for NS has far fewer layers of contrasting material, the naturally occurring indentations during forging result in exposure of contrasting material when the cold work is done. So, with these simple, random pamors you don't really have a lot of choices, if in doubt you just run through your possibles and eliminate one by one, if you've seen a lot of NS examples, or WW examples one glance is normally sufficient.