More about dha/daab nomenclature

PUFF · 28th June 2006, 01:10 PM

Hi Mark, Mon for Dahb Hua Mon 's pronounce with similar vowel with "tone". In this case Mon 's adj., describe curve, un-pointy shape.

And, in Thai, Mon for Mon people 's pronounce with similar vowel with "John". Some dialect may pronounce like "Mone" or "Maan", though.

Regarding to that Angkor Wat 's reliefs, there are a few things to be aware of.

#1 There are inscibed text under the pic. If my memory 's right, the figure legend describes "nei siam kuk" (Siamese men) in Suryavarman 's army. The march may include both Siamese/Khmer men. Siamese men in the front and Khmer men behind, or vise versa. My memory could be wrong. But it 's worth to check.

#2 Art works in SE region oftenly depict weapons in their design at artist 's time/local. Many art works, which are made in modern time, depicting Ayuthaya (and also Burmese) soldiers with very modern Thai Dahb.

#3 (may not related to this Ankor Wat case) Many Ramayana related art works depict weapons in the design of Thai artist's concept (influenced by Indian culture), which are rarely used by ordinary Siamese soldiers. Most of them are for only symbolic or ceremonial use.

Andrew · 28th June 2006, 01:43 PM

As always, many thanks for your input, Puff. Can you direct us to any Thai art (bas relief or otherwise) depicting weapons as a primary or secondary subject?

I'm aware of some 17thc. paintings with the 10 lives of the Buddha as the subject which show a pretty good selection of Ayutthaya period swords. Ruel Macaraeg, a poster on another forum, has shared excellent artwork, including portraits showing dress and side arms.

Unfortunatly, however, my search of western sources for this artwork has been exhausted.

Best,
Andrew

Mark · 28th June 2006, 11:39 PM

Thanks for the great information, Puff. I had also read in a book about Angkor that it is believed that this particular mural was carved by Siamese artists, quite possibly in the 14th century (and not in the 12th, contemporary with the building of Angkor Wat). It also said that a number of groups in the army were readily identifiable as Siamese, Khmer, Cham, etc, but I didn't realize these particular one were identified as Siamese. That is very significant, I think. The reliefs at Angkor are among the very few pieces of evidence that a daab-like sword was used by the Khmer, and it would seem that what it is in fact confirming is that it is a Siamese weapon and not Khmer.

28th June 2006, 01:10 PM	#1
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Hi Mark, Mon for Dahb Hua Mon 's pronounce with similar vowel with "tone". In this case Mon 's adj., describe curve, un-pointy shape. And, in Thai, Mon for Mon people 's pronounce with similar vowel with "John". Some dialect may pronounce like "Mone" or "Maan", though. Regarding to that Angkor Wat 's reliefs, there are a few things to be aware of. #1 There are inscibed text under the pic. If my memory 's right, the figure legend describes "nei siam kuk" (Siamese men) in Suryavarman 's army. The march may include both Siamese/Khmer men. Siamese men in the front and Khmer men behind, or vise versa. My memory could be wrong. But it 's worth to check. #2 Art works in SE region oftenly depict weapons in their design at artist 's time/local. Many art works, which are made in modern time, depicting Ayuthaya (and also Burmese) soldiers with very modern Thai Dahb. #3 (may not related to this Ankor Wat case) Many Ramayana related art works depict weapons in the design of Thai artist's concept (influenced by Indian culture), which are rarely used by ordinary Siamese soldiers. Most of them are for only symbolic or ceremonial use.

28th June 2006, 01:43 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	As always, many thanks for your input, Puff. Can you direct us to any Thai art (bas relief or otherwise) depicting weapons as a primary or secondary subject? I'm aware of some 17thc. paintings with the 10 lives of the Buddha as the subject which show a pretty good selection of Ayutthaya period swords. Ruel Macaraeg, a poster on another forum, has shared excellent artwork, including portraits showing dress and side arms. Unfortunatly, however, my search of western sources for this artwork has been exhausted. Best, Andrew

28th June 2006, 11:39 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Thanks for the great information, Puff. I had also read in a book about Angkor that it is believed that this particular mural was carved by Siamese artists, quite possibly in the 14th century (and not in the 12th, contemporary with the building of Angkor Wat). It also said that a number of groups in the army were readily identifiable as Siamese, Khmer, Cham, etc, but I didn't realize these particular one were identified as Siamese. That is very significant, I think. The reliefs at Angkor are among the very few pieces of evidence that a daab-like sword was used by the Khmer, and it would seem that what it is in fact confirming is that it is a Siamese weapon and not Khmer.