Identifying 3 hilts

[JustYS]

Originally Posted by milandro

I have found another 3 examples of this deity, this time the person whom put these images together called it Rangda but , in my mind, this is , again, Rarung.

Strange though this may be, Rarung representations I come across are mostly found in the Netherlands. However , I am told the NL are the second largest (for amount of krises) country in the world after Indonesia, so it may be not so unusual after all.

I always think of this thread every time I find this figure. The images were small and the quality was already enhanced to the outmost of the reasonable.

Hi milandro,

What is the material for the white hilt?

Thank you

[milandro]

perhaps I wasn't clear, they aren't mine, I found these on line so I cannot answer your query , I don't think it is Ivory.

[David]

So i do believe we see enough examples of this "Rarung" (for want of a better name) hilts to confirm that it is a specific form of Bali hilt. But the question still remains in my mind when did this hilt form first emerge and does it have any real legitimacy as an socially accepted form? I don't think i have seen any examples that are antique. Has anyone?

[milandro]

in time we may come across them

[David]

Originally Posted by milandro

in time we may come across them

Where do you think they might be hiding?

[milandro]

well, as much as one may think that all the kris people of the world would roam these pages, I believe that there may be the slight chance that many more krises are out there than people are here.

Also, I cannot believe that only an handful of carvers and, all of a sudden, without any reason started to depict Rarung in their carvings, just in the last few years.

Since Emile van Veenendaal came across this hilt and made mention in his book , it may have been not contemporary but older at the time it was written.


So chances are that there are more out there and , my guess, that some of these may be even of some age

maybe not quite so surprisingly the thread is one of the most important sources on line concerning Raring ....

[A. G. Maisey]

It seems that many of us have come to agreement that this lady (?) who is having the bad hair day is Rarung.

Now we know that Rarung was not noted for regular visits to a hair stylist, & also that she avoided the use of hair spray, in fact, most comments on Rarung's hair indicate that it was decidedly unkempt.

Yesterday I spent some time on looking at traditional representations of Rarung --- carvings, dance costumes & etc . I looked at a lot.

I could not find a single traditional Balinese representation of Rarung with her unkempt hair covering her fanged face.

This raises in my mind the possibility that perhaps all these representations of Rarung with her face covered by a veil of hair are perhaps airport art.

[David]

Originally Posted by milandro

well, as much as one may think that all the kris people of the world would roam these pages, I believe that there may be the slight chance that many more krises are out there than people are here.

Also, I cannot believe that only an handful of carvers and, all of a sudden, without any reason started to depict Rarung in their carvings, just in the last few years.

Since Emile van Veenendaal came across this hilt and made mention in his book , it may have been not contemporary but older at the time it was written.


So chances are that there are more out there and , my guess, that some of these may be even of some age

maybe not quite so surprisingly the thread is one of the most important sources on line concerning Raring ....

Thanks for posting another example. Again we have a very contemporary example. Hopefully you don't believe that the majority of us on this forum only haunt these "hallowed" halls. LOL! Personally i search out keris information wherever i can find it, keep a rather large (relatively) library of keris related books and moderator two other online keris groups. I've been on this search for information for 40 years now. Some here much longer. This does not, of course, mean that antique versions of this hilt do not exist. I just haven't seem them if they do. If we all keep searching perhaps one with some old provenance will turn up.