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[Boleg]

Originally Posted by gp

Interesting here is the fact that taking into consideration:

1. the word "kama" originates from Armenia
2. looking at the geography map of the region:

- Armenia
- Georgia and hence the Adjaro-Guria part (migration of the Laz people called Mingrelian)
- Turkey and its Laz region

looking at the geopolitical changes through the centuries ( even from the Persian an Roman times) and explained in this article:
https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/13727/gg

it seems no claim to a certain territory can be made and determination of items is quite "challenging"due to the interaction during the centuries.

Are Laz Gurians or are Gurians Laz people or are there many more we can call Laz people(s)...?

Last but not least Surmene knives come now..or at least the last century....from the Trabzon region...and....according to these maps....that is or was part of Lazistan;
so no surprise about the "Grussian " / Georgian connection

I am sorry if continuing this discussion is against the format of the website but as a Turk I just couldn't hold back considering the wild and completely unfounded claims this guy was making about a region he does not understand.

KAMA is a Turkish word, no etymology in Armenian. In Turkic it probably comes from Kakma(k), meaning pushing or in this case stabbing. And even if we take it as Armenian it doesn't help your argument at all it still came to the Balkan Slavs via Ottomans?

Baba simply means dad in Turkish no argument to be had here

Baba is also used in Turkish to define things that are big and mighty, so maybe here in this instance it was to denote that the kama was big!
The word kama is used everywhere in Turkish Ottoman empire, not just the Caucasus and Balkan region which again means it has nothing to do with Russians, and besides the word Kama doesn't even exist among Russians.

Lastly I want to clear the misunderstanding you guys have on the topic of Lazistan. There were very few to no Laz in Trabzon because most Lazic people were converted to Greek Orthodoxy before the Turks even came. The official and cultural region of Lazistan falls to the east of Trabzon Sürmene. Trabzon was never a part of the Lazistan sandjak, it was the opposite, Lazistan was a part of the Trabzon VİLAYET. Vilayet is a bigger administrative term that is made up of sandjaks, the Trabzon Vilayet was made up of the Djanik, Trabzon, Gümüşhane and Lazistan sandjaks.

[gp]

Originally Posted by Boleg

I am sorry if continuing this discussion is against the format of the website but as a Turk I just couldn't hold back considering the wild and completely unfounded claims this guy was making about a region he does not understand.

KAMA is a Turkish word, no etymology in Armenian. In Turkic it probably comes from Kakma(k), meaning pushing or in this case stabbing. And even if we take it as Armenian it doesn't help your argument at all it still came to the Balkan Slavs via Ottomans?

Baba simply means dad in Turkish no argument to be had here

Baba is also used in Turkish to define things that are big and mighty, so maybe here in this instance it was to denote that the kama was big!
The word kama is used everywhere in Turkish Ottoman empire, not just the Caucasus and Balkan region which again means it has nothing to do with Russians, and besides the word Kama doesn't even exist among Russians.

I am sorry if I offended you but nationality doesn't mean automatically one is a specialist on knowlegde or the only one entitled to comment, nor does it imply others are talking nonsense.
We all are to be very careful in claiming this ...

Although you do not know me at all, if I follow your thought that I am ignorent of your region, and I do not feel offended by "this guy" let me first wish you Ramazan Mubarak, Effendi !☼

I could refer to your great Dede Korkut "Kara saçuŋ dolaşmışını daraġ yazar." but think that to be not contributing much to our discussion and rather would prefer and like to invite you to meet me conform "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." as written by the great man in Konya... Mevlana.

As for baba, yes in Turkish it is male but in Slavic:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Recon...to-Slavic/baba

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0


so let us respect eachother and not just jump to conclusions too early and too fast, arkadash!

"You are not a drop in the ocean, you are the ocean in a drop." (Rumi)


best regards

Gunar