Help! Is this Philippine, Maori, Moro, Sundang, Barong

chmorshuutz · 17th January 2023, 12:28 PM

That's a talibong, a sinuwak/bakutan profile. Probably Aklanon, from Aklan province, Philippines.

As far as I know, Maori don't have metal weapons, I could be wrong though.

xasterix · 17th January 2023, 03:07 PM

Nice find, that's indeed a talibong.

Sheepdoc · 17th January 2023, 04:06 PM

Thanks for that help. I can’t believe I couldn’t find that on my own. The terminology is quite alien to me though. Any idea of age? Made out of a jeep leaf spring post WW II for tourists or older? Any recommendations on how to restore the braided twine that is missing- a better restoration than the leather? Any idea what the braided twine is made out of?

kai · 17th January 2023, 05:06 PM

As to age, I'd guess at the WWII period or later:
No wear of the blade (plus grinding marks on the bevel); guard from wood which is not really tough enough functionally; the motifs on the hilt are a bit roughly carved and timber not well cured.

Regards,
Kai

Sheepdoc · 17th January 2023, 06:24 PM

Thanks for that. That all makes sense. Any idea as to what the the braided twine is made out of-hair versus plant material?

RobT · 17th January 2023, 11:51 PM

Hi All,

Dang! It's not a tenegre?

Sincerely,
RobT

kai · 18th January 2023, 12:14 AM

Pretty much the highland version of a tenegre, Rob.

Several cultures, languages, names...

Regards,
Kai

xasterix · 19th January 2023, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Pretty much the highland version of a tenegre, Rob.

Several cultures, languages, names...

Regards,
Kai

Yup...there are actually several ethnolinguistic groups living in Panay and Negros islands...the Ilonggo (lowlanders) have their tenegre, while the other tribes (highlanders) have their talibongs.

kahnjar1 · 18th January 2023, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chmorshuutz

That's a talibong, a sinuwak/bakutan profile. Probably Aklanon, from Aklan province, Philippines.

As far as I know, Maori don't have metal weapons, I could be wrong though.

You are right....Maori weapons are either green stone, or other stone, also sometimes hardwood.

Sheepdoc · 18th January 2023, 10:37 PM

Thanks everyone. That was extremely helpful. It looks like a talibong so now I just need to find out where it was made (Aklan?,) when it was made (not laminated so probably after WW II,) possibly who made it, and was it for use or tourist trade? Any ideas?

17th January 2023, 04:06 PM	#3
Sheepdoc Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 4	Vintage Thanks for that help. I can’t believe I couldn’t find that on my own. The terminology is quite alien to me though. Any idea of age? Made out of a jeep leaf spring post WW II for tourists or older? Any recommendations on how to restore the braided twine that is missing- a better restoration than the leather? Any idea what the braided twine is made out of?

17th January 2023, 11:51 PM	#6
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 563	Tenegre? Hi All, Dang! It's not a tenegre? Sincerely, RobT

17th January 2023, 12:28 PM	#1
chmorshuutz Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 57	That's a talibong, a sinuwak/bakutan profile. Probably Aklanon, from Aklan province, Philippines. As far as I know, Maori don't have metal weapons, I could be wrong though.

17th January 2023, 03:07 PM	#2
xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 684	Nice find, that's indeed a talibong.

17th January 2023, 05:06 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	As to age, I'd guess at the WWII period or later: No wear of the blade (plus grinding marks on the bevel); guard from wood which is not really tough enough functionally; the motifs on the hilt are a bit roughly carved and timber not well cured. Regards, Kai

17th January 2023, 06:24 PM	#5
Sheepdoc Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 4	Thanks for that. That all makes sense. Any idea as to what the the braided twine is made out of-hair versus plant material?

18th January 2023, 12:14 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Pretty much the highland version of a tenegre, Rob. Several cultures, languages, names... Regards, Kai

18th January 2023, 10:37 PM	#10
Sheepdoc Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 4	Thanks everyone. That was extremely helpful. It looks like a talibong so now I just need to find out where it was made (Aklan?,) when it was made (not laminated so probably after WW II,) possibly who made it, and was it for use or tourist trade? Any ideas?