Karud dagger with unusual chased scabbard

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Exact ! Wakhan nomad people living in the ''wakhan corridor'' area.

Nice and interesting picture of this karud with his coral turquoise silver scabbard in '' tibetan himalayan style''.

I wonder what is written in chinese on the description and if they call this dagger ''karud'' ?.....

Yes, my friend, your eyesight does not fail you
The karuda scabbard from the Gugong Museum is decorated exactly in "tibetan himalayan style". I deliberately placed the image large enough so that can clearly see the features of the decor, including the classic Tibetan use of red corals.
Unfortunately, I do not know what is written in the museum next to the Karud dagger. I think that in China this weapon had its own local name.

I think you understood my idea that although the images of the Nepalese with Karud daggers are not known, but since the native people of the region undoubtedly actively used talwars and kutars, as well as we know are also Karud daggers with scabbard decor typical for Tibet (at least an item from the Gugun Museum and Your dagger), it is likely that there was occasional use of karud daggers by the people of Nepal. After all, "travel" arms is not uncommon. I remember that in some old topic, Ariel gave an example of a Georgian saber, the blade of which was made from the Indian Khanda sword. Georgia is much further from India than Nepal is from India or Afghanistan.

[Battara]

In both cases the silver repousse work is fantastic!

[ariel]

Jose,
On that we agree.

[Ren Ren]

It is well known that Nepalese khukris were used in Afghanistan. I see no reason why reverse borrowing could not take place in the field of weapons.

[Ren Ren]

Let's not forget that in 1791-92 Sino-Tibetan troops captured half of Nepal and stood at the walls of Kathmandu. Emperor Qianlong forced the rulers of Nepal to recognize vassalage and pay tribute. Which was paid until 1911.

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

Let's not forget that in 1791-92 Sino-Tibetan troops captured half of Nepal and stood at the walls of Kathmandu. Emperor Qianlong forced the rulers of Nepal to recognize vassalage and pay tribute. Which was paid until 1911.

Sorry, but I must be missing how that would bring Afghani pesh kabzes to Nepal. Must be getting old and slow....:-(((

[francantolin]

I just receveided my new toy !

The hilt must be ivory ( elefant as Ariel said ) and a repaires piece made of resin...

The scabbard seems made for the blade,
not shortened...
The mounts fits good too .
The foliage work suggests me mongolian ( saw look like embossed silver work with stylised clous...)
or Himalayan origin as we said.
( coincidence ,the karud come home with snow falls today )
I forgot to mention it: dagger length 46cm,
52-53 cm with scabbard

[ariel]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

It is well known that Nepalese khukris were used in Afghanistan. I see no reason why reverse borrowing could not take place in the field of weapons.

Very intriguing idea, I never considered it. My main hesitation is that weapons travel not necessarily in a " two way" fashion. Japanese adopted European side weapons, but AFAIK no European military adopted wakizashis or tantos. Indians adopted Persian shamshirs, khanjars and pesh kabzes, but Persia never adopted Indian tulwars, khandas, chillanums or bichwas. Nepalese and Tibetans were both using koras, but Tibetans did not have kukris and Nepalese did not have straight Tibetan swords.

Reasoning aside, can you help me with any factual evidence that Pesh Kabzes ( "Karuds") were used in Nepal, perhaps outside of their potential presence in museum exhibitions and private Nepalese collections?

How about regulation military weapons?