HELP WITH PHILIPPINE SWORD HOLDERS

BSMStar · 16th June 2006, 06:51 PM

Has anyone seen any sword holders that are wall mounted in the Philippines?

I have seen some from Indonesia that hold just the sword blade, and was wondering if anyone had some Philippine examples? Thanks for your help.

Rick · 16th June 2006, 11:22 PM

I think I know what you are referring to as far as the Indo holders go . These are made to be worn on a belt at your back with the board portion facing downward to keep the bare blade away from the legs ; they are not really meant as display pieces for the house ; more for field work although they are nicely carved .

BSMStar · 19th June 2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I think I know what you are referring to as far as the Indo holders go . These are made to be worn on a belt at your back with the board portion facing downward to keep the bare blade away from the legs ; they are not really meant as display pieces for the house ; more for field work although they are nicely carved .

Hi Rick, thank you for your response!

Do you have any examples?

Were any of these "scabbards" made and used in the PI (and when)?

Thanks.

Rick · 19th June 2006, 02:15 PM

Pictures .
I don't know if these were used in Philippine field agriculture ; but it seems quite possible .

Spunjer · 19th June 2006, 03:06 PM

nope. just your basic tagub and sundang...

BSMStar · 19th June 2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Pictures .
I don't know if these were used in Philippine field agriculture ; but it seems quite possible .

Great piece!

Any idea on the age of this?

Any you are much too young to be Emeritus my friend.

(Maybe semi-retirement)

BSMStar · 19th June 2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

nope. just your basic tagub and sundang...

Please correct me if I am wrong (and I usually am), isn't a tagub used with a Barong? The hole in this piece does not look like a Barong would fit.

If this is a Moro piece, when and where was it used? You do not see these around.

Rick · 19th June 2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

nope. just your basic tagub and sundang...

Ron , to the best of your knowledge then , there were no specialised stands or holders for the edged weapons in the Philippine or Moro household ?

Rick · 19th June 2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BSMStar

Great piece!

Any idea on the age of this?

Any you are much too young to be Emeritus my friend.

(Maybe semi-retirement)

These are probably still used today by Indonesian subsistence farmers .

As for emeritus it's a typo ; should read 'emeticus" !

After almost ten years I am out of the harness .

Only an oversight keeps my name on the Moderators list .

Spunjer · 20th June 2006, 06:34 AM

BSMStar,
the term tagub actually mean scabbard, which could be on any type of sword. we're just used to the term applied on moro weapon, but the term is also used in the visayas region and some parts of luzon.

rick,
not quite sure about moro household, but in the visayas, as far as i'm concern, farmers just hang their sidearm where ever it's available...

VANDOO · 20th June 2006, 05:41 PM

THERE IS AN OLD POST ON THESE SOMEWHERE IN THE ARCHIVES THERE WERE PICTURES AND INFORMATION ON THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PICTURES WILL STILL BE THERE BUT THE INFORMATION SHOULD. I CAN'T REMEMBER MUCH ELSE RIGHT NOW OLD AGE OR JUST BRAIN LOCK

I JUST SEARCHED AND FOUND THE POST IT WAS POSTED 6/19/2002 BY Rsword AND TITELED ( INTERESTING CARVED SWORD OR KRIS WALL HANGER. THE PICTURES ON MY 3 EXAMPLES ARE STILL THERE, THEY WERE FROM CENTRAL JAVA NEAR SURAKARTA, TAKE A LOOK.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THESE BEING USED IN THE PHILIPPINES ONLY IN INDONESIA IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

BSMStar · 20th June 2006, 06:40 PM

Thanks VANDOO!!!!!

I am terrible at searches so here is the link to help others...

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001023.html

Its good stuff!

But very short.

Are these from Indonesia, PI or maybe even somewhere in-between? Were they worn on the person or hung up on a wall? It seems they are meant to hold a sword... or some kind of weapon.

Thanks Spunjer, I am getting old and senile...

Gee, this is just what I need... a new area to collect (my wife is going to kill me and then hang my new sword from it).

Rick · 20th June 2006, 08:23 PM

These AFAIK are Indonesian ; possibly Javanese in origin .
The flat part goes downward and the piece is worn at the small of the back .

As for the decoration ; it would not be outside the cultural norm to beautify such an everyday item . I'll bet there are guys in America that have flames painted on their riding lawnmowers .

Spunjer · 20th June 2006, 08:26 PM

i got a "quiksilver" sticker on one of my kris scabbards

Rick · 20th June 2006, 08:36 PM

Bwahahaha !!

zelbone · 21st June 2006, 05:25 AM

BSMStar · 21st June 2006, 12:47 PM

Let me see if I have this straight… the holders come for Indonesia, likely Java (but the carvings look like they my not be), they are hand carved by their owners and worn on their back to attract chicks (unless it is hanging on a wall), are decorated with custom flame jobs or redneck racing stickers (if Visayan – then it is a “do not touch” sticker)… gee, I think I am just about ready to write a book on it now.

Andrew · 21st June 2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by zelbone

lol!

16th June 2006, 06:51 PM	#1
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	HELP WITH PHILIPPINE SWORD HOLDERS Has anyone seen any sword holders that are wall mounted in the Philippines? I have seen some from Indonesia that hold just the sword blade, and was wondering if anyone had some Philippine examples? Thanks for your help.

19th June 2006, 02:15 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Pictures . I don't know if these were used in Philippine field agriculture ; but it seems quite possible . Attached Images

20th June 2006, 06:40 PM	#12
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Thanks VANDOO!!!!! I am terrible at searches so here is the link to help others... http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001023.html Its good stuff! But very short. Are these from Indonesia, PI or maybe even somewhere in-between? Were they worn on the person or hung up on a wall? It seems they are meant to hold a sword... or some kind of weapon. Thanks Spunjer, I am getting old and senile... Gee, this is just what I need... a new area to collect (my wife is going to kill me and then hang my new sword from it). Last edited by BSMStar; 20th June 2006 at 07:09 PM.

21st June 2006, 05:25 AM	#16
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	The sticker says it all.... Attached Images

16th June 2006, 11:22 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I think I know what you are referring to as far as the Indo holders go . These are made to be worn on a belt at your back with the board portion facing downward to keep the bare blade away from the legs ; they are not really meant as display pieces for the house ; more for field work although they are nicely carved .

19th June 2006, 03:06 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	nope. just your basic tagub and sundang...

20th June 2006, 06:34 AM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	BSMStar, the term tagub actually mean scabbard, which could be on any type of sword. we're just used to the term applied on moro weapon, but the term is also used in the visayas region and some parts of luzon. rick, not quite sure about moro household, but in the visayas, as far as i'm concern, farmers just hang their sidearm where ever it's available...

20th June 2006, 05:41 PM	#11
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THERE IS AN OLD POST ON THESE SOMEWHERE IN THE ARCHIVES THERE WERE PICTURES AND INFORMATION ON THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PICTURES WILL STILL BE THERE BUT THE INFORMATION SHOULD. I CAN'T REMEMBER MUCH ELSE RIGHT NOW OLD AGE OR JUST BRAIN LOCK I JUST SEARCHED AND FOUND THE POST IT WAS POSTED 6/19/2002 BY Rsword AND TITELED ( INTERESTING CARVED SWORD OR KRIS WALL HANGER. THE PICTURES ON MY 3 EXAMPLES ARE STILL THERE, THEY WERE FROM CENTRAL JAVA NEAR SURAKARTA, TAKE A LOOK. I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THESE BEING USED IN THE PHILIPPINES ONLY IN INDONESIA IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

20th June 2006, 08:23 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	These AFAIK are Indonesian ; possibly Javanese in origin . The flat part goes downward and the piece is worn at the small of the back . As for the decoration ; it would not be outside the cultural norm to beautify such an everyday item . I'll bet there are guys in America that have flames painted on their riding lawnmowers .

20th June 2006, 08:26 PM	#14
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i got a "quiksilver" sticker on one of my kris scabbards

20th June 2006, 08:36 PM	#15
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Bwahahaha !!

21st June 2006, 12:47 PM	#17
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Let me see if I have this straight… the holders come for Indonesia, likely Java (but the carvings look like they my not be), they are hand carved by their owners and worn on their back to attract chicks (unless it is hanging on a wall), are decorated with custom flame jobs or redneck racing stickers (if Visayan – then it is a “do not touch” sticker)… gee, I think I am just about ready to write a book on it now.