Spanish Rapier/Broadsword

[Interested Party]

Am I wrong in noting there is no ricasso on this blade? Jim, is that why you called it a rapier/broadsword? Fingering this blade could be uncomfortable

[toaster5sqn]

Dimensions are definitely needed before any further comments can be made. Some transitional rapier/smallswords can look very rapierish until placed next to a true rapier and only then does the fact that they have been scaled down while keeping all proportions intact become apparent. I'm getting that sort of vibe from this piece but with nothing to scale it against there is no way to tell.

Robert

[Radboud]

I second the previous comments; dimensions are needed, there should be turks heads on both ends of the grip wire, and the ricasso is wrong.

Also, I'm unsure over how the cup guard is attached to the crossguard. Normally we would expect to see screws or similar used to attach it to the annelets.

Finally, the knuckle bow shape looks off, either squashed or made in the wrong shape and it appears to have been attached to the pommel?

[werecow]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

Am I wrong in noting there is no ricasso on this blade? [...] Fingering this blade could be uncomfortable

You're not wrong, and that's just plain weird looking. Or maybe it's just some style I'm unfamiliar with. I hope it's unsharpened down there or you'd cut your finger off! Maybe a blade attached to a new hilt in a slightly awkward way?

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

Am I wrong in noting there is no ricasso on this blade? Jim, is that why you called it a rapier/broadsword? Fingering this blade could be uncomfortable

Actually I was referring to the title, which terms this a Spanish rapier/broadsword......as I noted, this has nothing to do with broadswords...however as you note.......that key feature of a rapier is not present either.

[Interested Party]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Actually I was referring to the title, which terms this a Spanish rapier/broadsword......as I noted, this has nothing to do with broadswords...however as you note.......that key feature of a rapier is not present either.

Could it be a remounted transition blade? I know that the long risacco came along later in the progression from cut and thrust to thrusting swords.

[kronckew]

The 'wire wrap' pattern looks like it is cut or cast into the surface of the grip, not actually wrapped with wire...


Could this be a Victorian made wall decorator for some nouveau riche lordling's mock castle mansion?

[fernando]

You follow my drift, Wayne .

[Interested Party]

I think we all are following the drift Fernando Do you think the blade and hilt are the same age? An interesting tangent is when did the long risacco become popular? I've searched the site and have not find any transition blades. I've read brief mentions of them, but I have never seen many if any pictures of them only drawings. I would assume they are a simple ring guard with either quillons straight, curved (a little scary for the index finger), or a simple swept design. Do you have any suggested reading material in English or Spanish?

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

... Do you have any suggested reading material in English or Spanish? ...

Nothing in particular, only a sum of characteristics that i (think i ) have learnt that make us feel this sword setup don't appear to make sense. I say 'us' because some of such details were already approached here by others.
The arch shaped 'patillas' that hold the quillons down to the cup guard are so (much) worked up that we don't see the usual screws that should fix them to the cup. The cup bowl is pierced in a so crude manner, in that its reverse (interior) looks so unfinished. The lack of ricasso definitely doesn't make sense, be it either short or long; unless as already approached the blade was (again so) shortened. The pommel looks bizarre, probably only to my eyes. The quillons being twisted, as well as the knuckle guard, would put this sword in a early period ... but they look so pristine. Also as approached, the grip wire wrapping ... doesn't look like a wrapping.
Now i will throw a 'disclaimer' in that all i said above doesn't actually have any knowledge support, and shall be regarded as potentially senseless .