A kind of pesh kabz, opinion and translation please

[gp]

Originally Posted by ariel

OK

“ Arabic script in first picture is pretty clear

Second line is Islamic way of writing date
Big line on right is place for 2 digits for date
Second small line is space for writing month
Months are usually written as letters rather than digits
Then it is likely 1309 because 0 is not omitted rather in Arabic 0 is just a dot .

۱۳۰۹
1309 “

I. e. 1891 in Gregorian.

I think that provides an answer to Francantolin and closes all speculations about “1970”, “1950” , tourist production, American soldiers etc.

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I have to disagree as the above explantion on numbers and date is actually speculation and thus unacceptable...

Please allow me to explain:

I have lived in several Arab countries for years, and never was in a year a number omitted, also not in calligraphy writting. Nor on metal objects from coins, jewelry , etc.

nevertheless one does not need to take my word for it, as I am no scolar of the language and gramma...

so I consulted an Arabist who confirmed that both in modern as in classic Arabic all 4 numbers should be present.
Specially as there is sufficient room available...

So we are back to square one I am afraid or actually we need to continu the search back to mahratt's last statement as the date explanation is null and void ...

[mahratt]

I don't want to upset the author of the topic, who is probably happy now, but, as I wrote earlier, the inscriptions on the blade cannot be singled out separately from the subject itself. There is a Russian proverb: On the fence it says "Huy" (male sexual organ in Russian argot), but if you look behind the fence there is firewood. ... I hope the allegory is clear?
So I'll say it again. Don't get hung up on the inscriptions. Especially if they are made on non-traditional blades.

[francantolin]

Helli,
Thank's a lot Ariel to you and your Pakistani friend for the translation !
Sorry for the late reply
For the date ''mystery'' ,
It can perhaps be a day and a lunar month,
The 13th of 9th ramadan month
, first of what are called the white days

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...EuJTHyrY1CYdcC

( strange on a blade and pure speculations marhratt, I know ; ) just a new add )

PS: Soon come 10 1 , Achora day

Kind regards

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Helli,
Thank's a lot Ariel to you and your Pakistani friend for the translation !
Sorry for the late reply
For the date ''mystery'' ,
It can perhaps be a day and a lunar month,
The 13th of 9th ramadan month
, first of what are called the white days

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...EuJTHyrY1CYdcC

( strange on a blade and pure speculations marhratt, I know ; ) just a new add )

PS: Soon come 10 1 , Achora day

Kind regards

My friend, instead of believing the fantasies of our esteemed Ariel, you had better read my book on the weapons of Afghanistan. Then you will understand that until the 20th century, all weapons made by local craftsmen in Afghanistan were traditional.

[francantolin]

Thank you,
But I always pay attention to dogmas with books...

[Richard G]

I believe Afghanistan has intermittently used a Solar Hijri calendar, known as the Shamsi Hijri calendar.
In this case 1309 = 1930.
That should keep everybody happy.
Regards
Richard

[gp]

looks like some have also been smoking here what we knew as Black Afghan in the late 60ies and 70ies in Europe....and caused some nice dreams
I can advise when reading books to change to Carlos Castaneda "The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge"....
But that does not answer the issue addressed sadly...

Jokes aside and let's be serious and get away from the "perhap"ses... or I believe or mix knowledge with assumptions or subjective interpretations. ..
as assumption are not facts.. but according to my CEO the mother of all f-beep- ups
Like the Stones sing... only my imagination that's runnin away wizz me....
Or.. you cant alway want wot you get...
But lets stick to facts and knowledge . (In this case the book referred to already by Mista M) which avoids also the bickering as addressed by uncle Ian.

.
Many here are from the West but when I sometimes read about f.i. explanation on Islamic items, unfortunately hardly facts come up but hearsay or "I think"...
Even saw the Nizari Isma'ili Shia founder and leader Hassan i Sabbah (the old Man on the Alamut Mountain!) being connected to Sunni and Sufi Bosnia.... And raki was not even involved.
We must carefully either refrain from commenting or seeks answers from or with real scolars


You can also easily address the al Azhar University in Cairo Egypt or the University of Sarajevo Bosnia ( Oriental Studies Institute Arabic, Turkish and Persian )
and gues wot.... not only two pearls of wisdom and knowledge but ...they speak & write English, French, German ... better than most of us

I said it before...but you can take a horse to the water but can't make it drink....