A kind of pesh kabz, opinion and translation please

Saracen · 16th July 2022, 02:51 AM

In that discussion, we came to the conclusion that this formerly Persian perforation with a red background is characteristic of later Afghan weapons. Often this perforation is simply filled with red paste on Afghan weapons. Also features of the blade, which are also for Afghanistan. Yes, it's nice to remember).By the way, the scabbard in the message No. 17 is also Afghan. We didn't have a scabbard in that discussion.

Ian · 16th July 2022, 04:53 AM

Very productive discussion about these knives. With large numbers of "armor-piercing" tipped knives coming our of Rajahstan, mainly Jaipur, these days, it's good to have some historical perspective for the forerunners of these styles. While I understand many of these knives are being made or assembled in Jaipur for final distribution, it is also my understanding that similar knives are produced in Pakistan. Can you gentlemen inform us of what is happening currently and how to identify the more recently made versions?

ariel · 16th July 2022, 06:16 AM

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ariel · 16th July 2022, 06:18 AM

My guess based on seeing multiple examples of modern tourist Indian or Afghani daggers on e-bay have several easily noticeable features: general appearance of the blade is very impractical; decorations are produced by methods not requiring hard work ( deep etching is very popular); armor-piercing tip is puny and obviously weak. Post #7 is a classic example.

I am sure other Forumites have their own sets of features permitting quick attribution as modern touristy fake.

Old armor-piercers all without exception are Zirah Bouks by definition, swords and daggers. Human anatomy is such , that penetration of it by 3-4 “ in almost any place reaches a vital organ.

16th July 2022, 06:16 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Double Last edited by ariel; 16th July 2022 at 06:38 AM.

16th July 2022, 06:18 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	My guess based on seeing multiple examples of modern tourist Indian or Afghani daggers on e-bay have several easily noticeable features: general appearance of the blade is very impractical; decorations are produced by methods not requiring hard work ( deep etching is very popular); armor-piercing tip is puny and obviously weak. Post #7 is a classic example. I am sure other Forumites have their own sets of features permitting quick attribution as modern touristy fake. Old armor-piercers all without exception are Zirah Bouks by definition, swords and daggers. Human anatomy is such , that penetration of it by 3-4 “ in almost any place reaches a vital organ. Last edited by ariel; 16th July 2022 at 07:16 AM.

16th July 2022, 02:51 AM	#1
Saracen Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 147	In that discussion, we came to the conclusion that this formerly Persian perforation with a red background is characteristic of later Afghan weapons. Often this perforation is simply filled with red paste on Afghan weapons. Also features of the blade, which are also for Afghanistan. Yes, it's nice to remember).By the way, the scabbard in the message No. 17 is also Afghan. We didn't have a scabbard in that discussion.

16th July 2022, 04:53 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Very productive discussion about these knives. With large numbers of "armor-piercing" tipped knives coming our of Rajahstan, mainly Jaipur, these days, it's good to have some historical perspective for the forerunners of these styles. While I understand many of these knives are being made or assembled in Jaipur for final distribution, it is also my understanding that similar knives are produced in Pakistan. Can you gentlemen inform us of what is happening currently and how to identify the more recently made versions?