Indonesian Dagger ?

A. G. Maisey · 29th June 2022, 10:52 PM

Djelenga tells us that in Lombok it is called a "tempius".

It has a different name in Central Jawa, something like "sangklon" or "sangklun" or "sangkur". I really forget, it has been at least 20 years since I've seen one of these things.

Gustav · 29th June 2022, 11:44 PM

Here a quite interesting old thread on these and similar.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...tombak+bayonet

A. G. Maisey · 30th June 2022, 12:16 AM

Thanks Gustav. I got the "sang" bit right, anyway.

I have forgotten the 'buntut mimi' name entirely.

Interestingly, the BI word for "bayonet" is "sangkur", and this item under discussion has a similar triangular cross section as 19th century French bayonets.

EDIT

Not 20 years since I've seen one, only 16.

naturalist · 30th June 2022, 01:45 AM

when it comes to "dapur" it may be called as "cipiran" (from the morph of kecipir/winged bean). But i found some said "sujen ampel" which is sujen (skewer) ampel (a species of bamboo) is not really symmetric square if we cut the blade diagonally while cipiran is symmetric (but the triangular form also called as cipiran).
Bayonet is true called as sangkur by Indonesian. However, badik that is named after "sangkur" such as badik "pucuk sangkuh" or badik "sangkuh", usually has "normal bevel/grind" (double bevel) and it can be a single edge or has a half-sharpened edge on the other side. Sangkuh i believe is a way to pronounce or call sangkur, i found this term (sangkuh) from South Kalimantan.

drac2k · 30th June 2022, 03:50 AM

Thanks to all for the information provided!

30th June 2022, 12:16 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,050	Thanks Gustav. I got the "sang" bit right, anyway. I have forgotten the 'buntut mimi' name entirely. Interestingly, the BI word for "bayonet" is "sangkur", and this item under discussion has a similar triangular cross section as 19th century French bayonets. EDIT Not 20 years since I've seen one, only 16. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 30th June 2022 at 12:26 AM. Reason: correction

29th June 2022, 10:52 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,050	Djelenga tells us that in Lombok it is called a "tempius". It has a different name in Central Jawa, something like "sangklon" or "sangklun" or "sangkur". I really forget, it has been at least 20 years since I've seen one of these things.

29th June 2022, 11:44 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Here a quite interesting old thread on these and similar. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...tombak+bayonet

30th June 2022, 01:45 AM	#4
naturalist Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 66	when it comes to "dapur" it may be called as "cipiran" (from the morph of kecipir/winged bean). But i found some said "sujen ampel" which is sujen (skewer) ampel (a species of bamboo) is not really symmetric square if we cut the blade diagonally while cipiran is symmetric (but the triangular form also called as cipiran). Bayonet is true called as sangkur by Indonesian. However, badik that is named after "sangkur" such as badik "pucuk sangkuh" or badik "sangkuh", usually has "normal bevel/grind" (double bevel) and it can be a single edge or has a half-sharpened edge on the other side. Sangkuh i believe is a way to pronounce or call sangkur, i found this term (sangkuh) from South Kalimantan.

30th June 2022, 03:50 AM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,274	Thanks to all for the information provided!