Gentle way to improve Pamor (no chemicals)

[milandro]

Originally Posted by kronckew

It's a 'universal' food grade 19c oil developed for the German military. It lubricates cleans, polishes, removes powder fouling, copper & lead bore fouling, prevents rust for ages.........t it's non-drying, never gets rancid or sticky, and it smells like anise, Is water-soluble. .....

I had a look and there are many products under this name, Ballistol is the trade mark but the product in question should be the “ Universalöl “as OP shows.

I’ve never used for my krises but maybe a good idea to try at some stage.

The person whom washes my krises advises to use an oil as clear as possible , non acid, to mix with aromatic oils. The aromatic oil sits at the bottom (and you can see it) and it perfumes the oil on top, at least this is what he has learned from his Baninese “ guru” and his brother who is also a well known kris “ washer” in the NL). The perfume is one of the so many acts of respect (if not worship that wouldn’t be allowed) for the kris performed by many in Indonesia (and in the NL too).

I am interested in some comments above

Water soluble? I am not doubting it , I am just curious and genuinely interested...but how is it possible if this is a oil?

Is this oil, generally speaking, used in Indonesia by anyone?

this is the datasheet

( it appears to evaporate at 20ºç)

https://www.ballistol.com/wp-content...S_TECH_BIO.pdf


OP also says that he uses chalk to clean and remove rust , does he think that this would be somewhere in the region of pumex 2000? ( I’ve never used it myself)

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by milandro

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Water soluble? I am not doubting it , I am just curious and genuinely interested...but how is it possible if this is a oil?
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Maybe a better word is miscible.

From the Ballistol website:
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Can you mix Ballistol with water?
Since Ballistol emulsifies with water, mix one part Ballistol and two parts water to make one of the best black powder solvents available.
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It's called the Ouzo Effect <-Wiki Link


When used on damp steel. the oil penetrates the water, coats the steel and the water lifts off the surface, where it evaporates.

[milandro]

I suppose it will emulsify

[Marcokeris]

I only use Ballistol on my kris. I have been using it for many years and I must say that it is excellent in preventing rust. I put it on the blades a couple of times a year ... sometimes I also put it (but very little) on the wooden sheaths or handles. I also use the Ballistol to clean a little the metal pendoks

[milandro]

( Salve ) Hello Marco, , do you use any scent on your krises?

Balistol seem to smell of aniseed. I don’t know how this wold mix with other more traditional scents.

[A. G. Maisey]

Jean, old fashioned, ie, "old school" blackboard chalk was made from calcium carbonate + some other stuff, but modern chalk appears to be made from gypsum.

http://cameo.mfa.org/wiki/Blackboard_chalk

[A. G. Maisey]

Milandro, I have been using a mix of medicinal paraffin @ +/-50% + sandalwood @ +/- 45% + kenongo @ +/- 5% for about 45 years as my keris oil.

I adapted this mix from the most often used mix in Solo, which uses coconut oil instead of medicinal paraffin. For about 10 or 15 years I have sometimes substituted Singer sewing machine oil for the med. paraffin.

These oils mix well, they do not separate.

After oiling I use a thin plastic envelope to wrap the blade, before oiling I often use WD40 and allow it to dry before using the scented oil mix.

I store the complete keris in a cloth bag (singep) and store in a closed space.

I live 25 meters from a salt water lake and my house is exposed to prevailing winds, blades treated as I have advised will stay clean and uncorroded for more than 20 years. Much more than 20 years.

Nobody I know, have known, or heard of uses gun oil --- or any form of Balistol --- on tosan aji in Solo.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by milandro

( Salve ) Hello Marco, , do you use any scent on your krises?

Balistol seem to smell of aniseed. I don’t know how this wold mix with other more traditional scents.

Hello Milandro. Usually, but not always, I add some scented essences made for kris (like sandalwood or others) to the ballistol that cover the scent of the ballistol. However even when I use the ballistol alone, I like the smell of it.

[thomas hauschild]

Take care of copper alloys in combination with ballistol. This oil is not 100% neutral. As a „weapon-oil“ it is designed to remove copper and tombak out of gunbarrels by light acid. If you will bring contents of ballistol in a wooden or leather scabbard and there will be any contact with copperalloy, the metal will become green very fast.

Best Thomas