Monstrous Indian Sword

erlikhan · 9th June 2006, 07:23 AM

I dont think it could have a use else than as a saw to cut and shape plants in the palace garden

. Does to cut a normal blade simply in two from tip to middle without any structural addition make it a Zulfikar type sword?.Plus,all of those Indian samples I have seen insist to have a large hole at the end of the gap,which causes the blade get even weaker!

Valjhun · 9th June 2006, 08:11 AM

Well, I must dissagree with both of you.

That is definetly a 17th century piece (according to Tirri) and I like it verry much, almost totaly of my taste. The darkest piece I've ever seen. Nice clean job. Nice welded steel construction (maybe even wootz the owner will have to ethch it) When I saw it I asked myself if Tirri is selling his collection out, but at a closer look thatone is a little different, from the one in his book, but still enoughly similar that would form a pair.

Use as a weapon? Well

, it has to be used by one of those schwartzie looking, two meter tall guys dressed with red tourbans and white pants

It's efficiency as a weapon is questionable. Verry intimidating, yes, but... Well i would guess that it is quite balanced compared to a tegha, the weight of the blade is greatly reduced by the split. The split on most Dhul Fagars I've seen is really very weak points, but definetly no thatone. Beeig made from welded steel it makes it verry flexible and still the blade is quite thick. That hole Erlikhan, has a function, I suppose, Just immagine a tulwar blade beeing trapped there. Further the serrated blade in combination with its weight would be great in tearing apart chainmail. Not a decoration piece at all, just a different view of combat style. Comparing it to a tulwar or a firanghi, it would be the same if you compare the style of combat between a rapier and a german two handed panzersticher.

Well all, I have said about its battle use is pure speculation, as I haven't handlle it. Yes SenSei, it could be terrible to handle.

just my 0,02$, but

I LIKE IT!

I'm really looking forward comments from B.I., Jens, Jim, Lew and other masters of Indian Weapons.

P.S.: "I always wanted one of those but one has to set priorities." SenSei, If you have in mind what I know you have, ending on 12 june with a curved blade... It will be a hard master to pupil battle

erlikhan · 9th June 2006, 04:14 PM

I mean this "hole", not the long gap between the edges. It has no use but only causes the blade get even much weaker against collisions with other blades. (It is already weak enough even without considering that hole, because it is split into two)

Valjhun · 9th June 2006, 05:39 PM

Yes Erlikhan, I also mean that hole... Immagine a firangi blade getting there and the fast spring aciton of the wielder of the zulfikar...

9th June 2006, 08:11 AM	#2
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Well, I must dissagree with both of you. That is definetly a 17th century piece (according to Tirri) and I like it verry much, almost totaly of my taste. The darkest piece I've ever seen. Nice clean job. Nice welded steel construction (maybe even wootz the owner will have to ethch it) When I saw it I asked myself if Tirri is selling his collection out, but at a closer look thatone is a little different, from the one in his book, but still enoughly similar that would form a pair. Use as a weapon? Well , it has to be used by one of those schwartzie looking, two meter tall guys dressed with red tourbans and white pants It's efficiency as a weapon is questionable. Verry intimidating, yes, but... Well i would guess that it is quite balanced compared to a tegha, the weight of the blade is greatly reduced by the split. The split on most Dhul Fagars I've seen is really very weak points, but definetly no thatone. Beeig made from welded steel it makes it verry flexible and still the blade is quite thick. That hole Erlikhan, has a function, I suppose, Just immagine a tulwar blade beeing trapped there. Further the serrated blade in combination with its weight would be great in tearing apart chainmail. Not a decoration piece at all, just a different view of combat style. Comparing it to a tulwar or a firanghi, it would be the same if you compare the style of combat between a rapier and a german two handed panzersticher. Well all, I have said about its battle use is pure speculation, as I haven't handlle it. Yes SenSei, it could be terrible to handle. just my 0,02$, but I LIKE IT! I'm really looking forward comments from B.I., Jens, Jim, Lew and other masters of Indian Weapons. P.S.: "I always wanted one of those but one has to set priorities." SenSei, If you have in mind what I know you have, ending on 12 june with a curved blade... It will be a hard master to pupil battle Last edited by Valjhun; 9th June 2006 at 10:26 AM.

9th June 2006, 04:14 PM	#3
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	I mean this "hole", not the long gap between the edges. It has no use but only causes the blade get even much weaker against collisions with other blades. (It is already weak enough even without considering that hole, because it is split into two) Attached Images

9th June 2006, 07:23 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	I dont think it could have a use else than as a saw to cut and shape plants in the palace garden . Does to cut a normal blade simply in two from tip to middle without any structural addition make it a Zulfikar type sword?.Plus,all of those Indian samples I have seen insist to have a large hole at the end of the gap,which causes the blade get even weaker!

9th June 2006, 05:39 PM	#4
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Yes Erlikhan, I also mean that hole... Immagine a firangi blade getting there and the fast spring aciton of the wielder of the zulfikar...