Spanish Husar Pistol 1789

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Originally Posted by corrado26

There have been two different versions of this pistol, the first version has iron mounts, the second has brass mounts. See Calvo, lamina 6, aparejos: En hierro!

Udo, can you tell where you got this 'lamina 6' image. I am reading Calvó's publication ARMAMIEMTO ESPAÑOL EN LA GUERRA DE LA INDEPEDENCIA and viewing his website CATALOGACION DE ARMAS and i can't find it.
It looks like the 1789 model is more the lock style than the pistol; there are countless pistols, even muskets, made around 1800, with little variations, some 'commercial' (comissionados), other munitions, and the 1789 name is given to the lock. Also called a la Española, with two variants, one original and the other (Placencia and Catalunia ?). Your example has a decorated ('fluted') pan that i don't see in others; maybe this is an officer commission.
Udo, i would like to know if the inscription on the barrel does include the ESPS in the end.

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Originally Posted by fernando

Udo, can you tell where you got this 'lamina 6' image. I am reading Calvó's publication ARMAMIEMTO ESPAÑOL EN LA GUERRA DE LA INDEPEDENCIA and viewing his website CATALOGACION DE ARMAS and i can't find it.

In a further book of Juan L. Calvo "Armamentos de Municion en las Fuerzas Armadas Espanolas" you can find other drawings and description of the Husar-pistol 1789 under N°26C

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Originally Posted by corrado26

...In a further book of Juan L. Calvo "Armamentos de Municion en las Fuerzas Armadas Espanolas" you can find other drawings and description of the Husar-pistol 1789 under N°26C ...

Thank you Udo. Same guns, with shorter or longer texts.

[Fernando K]

Hola

Me voy a permitir hablar en español, para entender mejor a Calvo. Habla de "pistolas de municion" Alguno podria interpretar que disparaba municion (Como los cartuchos de escopeta). Lo que Calvo quiere expresar es que es munida (del verbo MUNIR que significa proveer) lo mismo que reglamentaria, de ordenanza.

Asimismo, las llaves de 24C, 25C y 27C, son llaves de miquelete a las 3 modas, porque la cazoleta tiene incorporada a la brida del rastrillo, y su resorte esta fijado como en el miquelete a la romana. A diferencia de la llave de 26C, que es un mniquelete clasico, con el resorte del rastrillo escondido detras de la brida (postiza)

afectuosamente

[midelburgo]

Yo por municion entiendo tropa, lo mismo que hay espadas de municion y petos de municion.

No se cual es la diferencia exacta con pistolas de oficiales. Posiblemente el escudo de laton?

[Fernando K]

Hello

Regarding the pistol of post number 18, the signature of the key (lock) corresponds to Domingo Ziaran

Ramiro Larrañaga "Historical Synthesis of the Basque Armory", page 238

ZIARAN, Domingo Ignacio de - Chispero (lock maker) Placencia 1787

In addition, it names Antonio, Bartolome Fernando Jose Manuel, Mateo, Ramon.

Affectionately

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

In addition, it names Antonio, Bartolome Fernando Jose Manuel, Mateo, Ramon.

Thanks a lot

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[midelburgo]

The number 17 at the barrel and at the screw that closes the barrel end is also incised in the wood. I supose it is an assembling code. (194 for Corrado´s pistol).

I have the 2004 JL Calvo book since September, but I have hardly look at it. I supose it superseeds the one from the 1970s.

I checked another Spanish Army Status from 1815 and the Regimiento de Husares Españoles (with another two) still existed in 1815.

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Originally Posted by midelburgo

... I have the 2004 JL Calvo book since September, but I have hardly look at it. I supose it superseeds the one from the 1970s....

Mine is the 2008 edition; which i had the privilege to have him signing and sent to me in 2011.