Sword for identification

mariusgmioc · 3rd November 2021, 07:33 AM

10th century Khazar sword?!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=khazar

Evgeny_K · 3rd November 2021, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

10th century Khazar sword?!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=khazar

No, I don't think so

cornelistromp · 3rd November 2021, 08:53 AM

with the typical s-shape blade, ......I go for a hungarian sabre variation, 15thC ?

sorry optical illusion because the blade is bent it looks s-shaped. is the last 15cm or so (point) double edged?

Evgeny_K · 3rd November 2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

with the typical s-shape blade, ......I go for a hungarian sabre variation, 15thC ?

I don't quite understand what you mean by "typical s-shape blade". As I said above, the blade is straight, but bent.

mariusgmioc · 3rd November 2021, 10:53 AM

"found somewhere about city of Sudak (Crimean peninsula)"

Another strong argument for the Khazar (or related culture - Eurasian Nomads also called "People of the Steppes") origin!

PS: The bending of the tip gave the impression that the sword has double "s-shaped" curvature in the main view.

Evgeny_K · 3rd November 2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

"found somewhere about city of Sudak (Crimean peninsula)"

Another strong argument for the Khazar (or related culture - Eurasian Nomads also called "People of the Steppes") origin!

PS: The bending of the tip gave the impression that the sword has double "s-shaped" curvature in the main view.

However, this sword doesn't look like typical nomadic swords including Khazar swords.

Iain · 3rd November 2021, 03:24 PM

This is part of a family of 'cuff' hilted swords common across the Byzantine empire and areas of its influence. The style actually dates back to Samanid period. In later times it can be observed as recently as the 18th century in Omani swords. It was used across a very large area and turns up in everything from medieval Mamluk weapons to early Islamic swords in Syria and Arabia.

Yours conforms broadly to others published in the works by Yotov available online regarding finds in Bulgaria and southern Europe.

I would roughly place this in the 10th to 12th centuries.

The guard looks like it might be on backwards by the way.

I had the pleasure to do a short article on another similar sword from Dr. Lee Jones which you can find here: http://iainnorman.com/articles-2/25

3rd November 2021, 08:53 AM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	with the typical s-shape blade, ......I go for a hungarian sabre variation, 15thC ? sorry optical illusion because the blade is bent it looks s-shaped. is the last 15cm or so (point) double edged? Last edited by cornelistromp; 4th November 2021 at 08:51 AM.

3rd November 2021, 07:33 AM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	10th century Khazar sword?! http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=khazar

3rd November 2021, 10:53 AM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	"found somewhere about city of Sudak (Crimean peninsula)" Another strong argument for the Khazar (or related culture - Eurasian Nomads also called "People of the Steppes") origin! PS: The bending of the tip gave the impression that the sword has double "s-shaped" curvature in the main view.

3rd November 2021, 03:24 PM	#7
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	This is part of a family of 'cuff' hilted swords common across the Byzantine empire and areas of its influence. The style actually dates back to Samanid period. In later times it can be observed as recently as the 18th century in Omani swords. It was used across a very large area and turns up in everything from medieval Mamluk weapons to early Islamic swords in Syria and Arabia. Yours conforms broadly to others published in the works by Yotov available online regarding finds in Bulgaria and southern Europe. I would roughly place this in the 10th to 12th centuries. The guard looks like it might be on backwards by the way. I had the pleasure to do a short article on another similar sword from Dr. Lee Jones which you can find here: http://iainnorman.com/articles-2/25