imitation ivory ?

Green · 5th October 2021, 08:42 AM

Thank you all for comments and suggestions.

Based on the discussion above I'll treat this item as genuine ivory (for now).

Jean · 5th October 2021, 04:19 PM

One useful (but not full-proof) indicator is the price which you paid for this piece, after fierce bargaining of course.... (no figure given as forbidden by the law).

mariusgmioc · 5th October 2021, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

One useful (but not full-proof) indicator is the price which you paid for this piece, after fierce bargaining of course.... (no figure given as forbidden by the law).

I beg to differ!

From my experience, price is the most misleading criteria possible.

On one hand the whole idea of selling fake ivory is to sell plastic at the price of ivory.

On the other hand I got so many genuine ivory objects (Japanese ivory inro and netsuke, ivory shibayama art, African ivory objects) literally dirt cheap.

Jean · 6th October 2021, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I beg to differ!

On the other hand I got so many genuine ivory objects (Japanese ivory inro and netsuke, ivory shibayama art, African ivory objects) literally dirt cheap.

This is true for most Asian and African ivory pieces because ivory trading is virtually banned in Europe, but not for kris hilts IMO and according to my recent experience at an international auction.

Anthony G. · 7th October 2021, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean

This is true for most Asian and African ivory pieces because ivory trading is virtually banned in Europe, but not for kris hilts IMO and according to my recent experience at an international auction.

Regrettable not for Singapore as my dealer friend got spot check by cops and photographs taken. He cannot sell these keris unless no ivory.........

asomotif · 7th October 2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

One useful (but not full-proof) indicator is the price which you paid for this piece, after fierce bargaining of course.... (no figure given as forbidden by the law).

Pfew. I agree with Marius on this one.
How could the price be an indicator ?

Weirdest indicator ever for such an object.

Rafngard · 7th October 2021, 05:13 PM

In my own less than educated opinion, I'd also say this is legit ivory.

Also, another relevant imitation ivory is "French ivory." This is an early cellulose/plastic material that does have layers that kind of, but not really, resemble the Schreger lines you'd find on actual ivory.

I'm including two images from an old auction, and a link to my own small gunong with a French ivory hilt, previously discussed on the Ethnographic side of the fence.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24831

Have fun,
Leif

7th October 2021, 05:13 PM	#7
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 348	In my own less than educated opinion, I'd also say this is legit ivory. Also, another relevant imitation ivory is "French ivory." This is an early cellulose/plastic material that does have layers that kind of, but not really, resemble the Schreger lines you'd find on actual ivory. I'm including two images from an old auction, and a link to my own small gunong with a French ivory hilt, previously discussed on the Ethnographic side of the fence. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24831 Have fun, Leif Attached Images

5th October 2021, 08:42 AM	#1
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 320	Thank you all for comments and suggestions. Based on the discussion above I'll treat this item as genuine ivory (for now).

5th October 2021, 04:19 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	One useful (but not full-proof) indicator is the price which you paid for this piece, after fierce bargaining of course.... (no figure given as forbidden by the law).