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Old 4th October 2021, 06:35 PM   #1
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Ivory to show off and btw, is it Malay or Bugis culture?
It could be either IMO, and probably made from spermwhale ivory according to the dark inner colour and light outside colour.
See a similar one but with simpler carving and bought in Medan (North Sumatra).
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Old 4th October 2021, 09:39 PM   #2
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Here are a few more ivory hilts.
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and a few more.

I've got quite a lot of old ivory, I've always liked it, and have bought over many years.

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Sorry, that bottom pic is bone, I pulled these pics from a folder with a few hundred images in it that I put together some years back, the bone got mixed in with the ivory.
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Old 4th October 2021, 10:07 PM   #4
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Are we doing an ivory booty call? LOL!
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Old 5th October 2021, 02:47 AM   #5
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and a few more.

I've got quite a lot of old ivory, I've always liked it, and have bought over many years.

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Sorry, that bottom pic is bone, I pulled these pics from a folder with a few hundred images in it that I put together some years back, the bone got mixed in with the ivory.
OH! I simple love that Balinese Ivory hulu. Awesome piece.
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Old 5th October 2021, 02:48 AM   #6
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It could be either IMO, and probably made from spermwhale ivory according to the dark inner colour.
See a similar one but with simpler carving and bought in Medan (North Sumatra).
Yes, I was told it is marine ivory too. Is mine a Sumatran hulu?
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Old 5th October 2021, 09:13 AM   #7
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I would rather guess a Sulawesi origin because of the detailed carving patterns, see 2 similar pieces presumably from Sulawesi and Sumbawa. However I would not exclude a Sumatran or Malaysian origin.
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Old 7th October 2021, 05:41 PM   #8
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Here's my three. Two of elephant ivory, and one that I believe is a whale tooth.

Amusingly, the one of the left, which shows clear Schreger lines, came from a legitimate gallery, with a certificate of authenticity saying it was marine ivory. Like has been said before, "a certificate of authenticity is definitely a piece of paper."

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Hello Leif,
Please show us pics of the hilt on the left viewed from the front and the left sides.
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Old 8th October 2021, 04:46 PM   #10
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Please show us pics of the hilt on the left viewed from the front and the left sides.
I'll take a few more pics tonight.

i should be clear, the Schreger lines aren't clear in this pic.

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Old 8th October 2021, 04:58 PM   #11
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I'll take a few more pics tonight.

i should be clear, the Schreger lines aren't clear in this pic.

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Yes, this is why Willem and I are asking, the gallery owner may be correct after all...
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Amusingly, the one of the left, which shows clear Schreger lines, came from a legitimate gallery, with a certificate of authenticity saying it was marine ivory.
I see cracks , but are these Schreger lines ?

Additional pictures would be nice.

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